===OCR macOS Vision=== ===PAGE 1=== John Henshaw, Vice-Chairman Hannah Anderson, Secretary Jay Simeone George Martin Marc Luescher Lunenburg Finance Committee 03-14-19 Michelle Walton Location: Town Hall Present: Terri Burchfield, Hannah Anderson, Michelle Walton, John Henshaw, Jay Simeone, Marc Luescher Absent: George Martin Guest: Heather Lemieux, TM. 978.582.4139 FAX 978.582.4148 RECEIVED & FILED MAY 09 2019 LUNENBURG TOWN CLERK OFFICE 1. Open Meeting: The Chair called the meeting to order at 7:00 pm. This meeting is being recorded and televised for re- broadcast on the Lunenburg Public Access cable channel. 2. Communications • Public Comment Carl Luck, 50 Sunset Lane- In the process tonight, are questions asked in the presentation or at the end of the presentation? Terri- At the end of the presentation. Carl- I have concerns about the town budget and review process, every year for at least the past 10 years, the Sewer Commissions first step in the budget process is to get the year to date actuals for each of the budgeted line items. This is a critical input to move forward to establish a new budget, taking account how we are doing against prior years plan so we can learn and approve the line item allocations and accuracy, of the following years plan. This has served us well and continues to do so. At the town level however, I have yet to see the year to date actual and the prior year's actual. It is very difficult to know where each departments budget was actually spent. Or what I being requested or what is being requested is actually needed. As some of you know, all too well, I have recently become very familiar with the Towns Charter, to this point, the Charter clearly states in section 6-5 "the proposed budget shall be arranged to show the actual and estimated incomes and expenditures the previous, current, and ensuing fiscal years". Perhaps this information is avallable to the Finance Committee in which case pernaps you or the town Manager could make copies available to the public before the review and the hearing process is complete. If this document doesn't exist, or available, 1 am at a loss of how the department heads, town manager, finance committee, or public can do a critical review of the budget. As you can imagine, I have quite a bit of historical information in my file and did find such a document from October 2015 that the finance ===PAGE 2=== 3. Department 2020 Budget Presentations • Department of Public Works Jack Rodriquenz, DPW Director, presented his budget. *Please see attachment* Questions Committee: Terri- Clarification on open space plan, would the Parks supervisor be tasked with working with the open space group? Jack- He's going to be tasked to do a prioritized list of things that will be established by the Town Manager and Park Commission. At that position you are only allowed to work 20 hours a week, as a temporary employee, so I could not tell you right now what the expanse or the scope of his service would be. Terri- And the period of time, where you say temporary or? Jack- Obviously being a park, he or she would be working Spring to Fall. This position hasn't even been okayed sort of speak, we are working on developing a job description, I hope I can have more information for you as it Michelle- Along with the position to the parks, is there any possible increase to revenue by better management of the parks by getting fees, not only collected but billing fees? Jack- Yes. The park commission that we have now and the past few years, have been very dedicated and aggressive and have actually made some progress. The well intention of the people of the past, had less of an interest and didn't get as much done. Those fees either were not charged or were not charged enough. The beach is a perfect example of that, those folks that are working over there for $7/hour or something, so we had to get the staff up, and on a parallel track we had to raise the fees which I don't think has ever been raised. So, we are just seeing the process now of looking at expenditures versus revenue but we are taking into, is the school going to start getting involved? You know the schools are the biggest users of Marshall Park, up until this point they have been able to use it with no fees. Zero fees. Historically they may be asked to pay something, similarly with the basketball court, the little league, the Phillies Semi-Pro, Babe Ruth league, so scheduling, and if you are going to charge a fee and bring in some revenue then you need to know when that field is available. That's the point. The commission will set the fees and policies, but at least one thing one person will do is the scheduling to make sure the windows are open for the school, the little league is going to get those windows, then we can charge them per person, per hour, per game, however the commission which in their responsibility chooses to do it. So yes, looking revenues, keeping an eye on revenues, and some people don't send a check, they forget, but we will be tracking that money. Definitely. Definite yes to your answer. Michelle- For the vehicle Maintenace, is there an established schedule for the vehicle Maintenace or is it more as a crisis comes up, we handle it? Jack- We instituted a software, very elementary software package down there that tracks everything we do on every vehicle. The parts we use it for reference, the size filter, what we do, the mileage, hours working om the equipment, and like they do, we have stickers on cruisers that says look at it at such and such time. The unfortunately thin about it was, it not like the police lack in any co-operation, it's just not what they do. You get in your car and you might look at it, but they get in their car, turn the key, and they are going to do what they need to do. And they do it and i don't so I don't know what it's like. So, we remind them, if we can, and if the car is available hey will bring it in so that kind of messes up the schedule. The fire is a little more dedicated to the schedule because they are fire truck, even though they are equally or more important, they are not out 2 ===PAGE 3=== on a strict schedule? No more than yes, but will it help you achieve what you need on a monthly or quarterly schedule? Absolutely. Michelle- The outsource position that said for a project manager type of position, is that a permanent position or just a temporary 5-year position? Jack- That would not be a town employee, sorry if I didn't describe that. That would be a private organization. Michelle- Okay, now long are you thinking? Jack- I don't know we've done it one way. It wasn't until 5 years ago that we took over the responsibility of the buildings, there was never anyone and maybe that's why the buildings are the way they were but we think right now because of the availability of the people in the workforce and what they would demand, in a kind sense demand, and what the union which is our scale on what they are willing to pay them, we can't make up that gap. So, we are going to sub contract that to an organization that does that professionally, has a whole stable of people, and we are going to begin that. I am hoping I'm optimistic that it will work because I don't think the gap on what we can pay people and what people that can do all of this will ever close significantly enough for us to get a person in house that can do that. I would rather have an employee, but then again, you call somebody and you outsource, they're there or they have somebody that is there, they don't have two weeks' vacation and this and that. You pick up the phone and you're working on an a la carte menu and they are there for you. The longevity of it, I guess would be to be determined. Marc- On an average snow day, how much does it cost us? Jack- There is no average, because every storm is different, and I will tell you why. We talk about snow, ice, rain, that might be a 30 hour episode, and we might get about this much, *hold up his hand to show 5-6 inches or so of what snow would be, and minimizes the size to about an inch or two of what ice would be*, the ice is what kills you. We could get 6-8 inches of snow, you plow it, you salt it, you're done. So, it's the duration, with a duration there is more time for the subcontractors, its's more of your overtime, its more material, it's more wear and tear on the steel and on the pavement, so I guess I'm not going to give you a very good answer to that. Certainly, not right now, I could come up with an average a year but I could not give you an average storm. I honestly do not believe there is an average storm. John- In a previous meeting we had, you were changing the mixture of sand and salt you were using on the roads, and just driving down the roads around Lunenburg the last couple of weeks I have noticed the relative absents of sand on them, is that going to reduce costs in cleaning the roads subsequently after the Winter season is over? Or is it a non-issue? Jack- It's definitely an issue, but it's an issue for costs and beyond costs. When I first started here, all they would use was the sand out of that landfill area, no salt, all sand. Then they started weening in the salt so when I started the mixture was no salt or one salt to 7 buckets of sand. I saw that and knew that was not the way to go, so each year incrementally we broke it down, and broke it down, and the last couple years we got it to a 1 to 1 or a 2 to 1 salt to sand, and in the last couple of years we would send trucks out with just salt alone. A little scary for me because it's not unusual for the state to call up and ask us if we have any sand to do certain hills, like A coming up to the high school, route 13 going up to Wal-Mart were the trucks get started, we have areas in town that get no sun, so I'm a little anxious about doing it but this year we made the leap and did not use any sand. We used a littie more salt but no salt. Of course, sand is less expensive but to the point of your question, it will make a huge difference, it will decrease the sweeping time and decrease the amount of silt that gets into the catch basins or brooks wherever its going which is part of the storm water challenge and also the cleaning of the basins. Hoping next year to go to a green material where the salt is treated with a calcium or chemicals that turn it green, and what that does, it lowers the point to which it is active because right now at 20 degrees and the salt is useless and you don't want to put sand over ice because it insulates it. So, to answer your question, we went from this much sand *gesturing a lot* to this much sand *gesturing zero* which is none. John- The custodian/MTC maintenance salaries under facilities/grounds had been tracking in the mid 40's, 3 ===PAGE 4=== but I can tell you definitively that number $1.5 million is what we have done so far on the full season starting in project year 2017 and project year 2018. So, it might have been misrepresented in the slide, 2016 was a lower year and we probably only spent about $900K so on the next two years we are up to about a $1.5 million, and $1.7 in the next year. Carl- So that's not the total. Jack- No that's not the total, the debt exclusion is $4 million, a million dollars a year, and just in recent conversation with the Town Accountant and the Town Manager, and I didn't say this, but we are not only under budget to finish those roads but we are ahead of schedule. I'm not going to tell you how much we are going to have left over, that's the cardinal sin, if we have any left over, but to justify to say we are ahead of schedule, way ahead of schedule and under budget to that point of those roadways and what we anticipated to spend. Carl- The $500K you put up, are we on track with that for the storm water piece of it? Jack- I made a detailed presentation on that, I think you were away, on the expenditures against that $500K and if memory serves me, we've got like somewhere between the high $70 to low $90's on that. Carl- Okay I can take a look at that, so on the line item budgets the first thing that jumps out at me when I looked, almost everything in the line items is literally exactly or close to exactly as the year before. And in some items, it is the same as 2013 to the dollar, and that's just kind of a red flag for me, how can every line item be the same as it was year after year after year and that's what brought me to like to see what the actuals are because I don't believe the actuals are the same year after year. Some are like $28K, traffic and signs are $28,253 every year, and just from a budgeting, I have done a lot of budgeting and that just catches your eye. Jack- You've done a lot of budgeting but you have never done any Municiple budgeting have you? Carl- I really don't see a lot of difference there. The drainage is $18K every year since 2013, is that different from storm water management things? Jack- The last word from the Town Manager and Town Accountant as we dissected it out this debt exclusion went along. Before the exclusion happened, es that $18K went to drainage related materials and if I have a target number I meet that target number do not go over, maybe ball park a little from this account or that, but this is my 24th or 25" budget, I've never over expended, so maybe getting those numbers the same means is that we are pretty good at getting those numbers and expending to tat number and stopping expenditures. In terms to your question about the drainage, some of that drainage would go toward areas in the pavement management because it can, other material of that might go to other areas because not all drainage has to do with the pavement management plan although we concentrate on that because that's where the energy is, paving. Carl- Under the Storm Water Management, the $100K that's in there, that's unfortunate because that wasn't expected to be in the budget, its $60K more than you had expected, from my understanding, that is basically all engineering so are we spending $100K for studies or are we going to be able to get some work done with that or do we hope the $100K gets reduced? It's next year's contract it's not all released. Jack- It's not all engineering, there are tasks related to the engineering, it's going to be run by the engineer, there are going to be checking out falls. Carl- It's engineering by the definition of procurement because we are not going out to bid. Jack- maybe I can get you a better description on that. Carl- So there is no separate money for the doing tasks? Jack- Nope. Carl- So if we want any money, we need to get it out of that $100K, so we need to figure out how to get that money down. Jack- That as not unexpected, we knew, I knew 5-years before we were going to spend $100K a year on storm water and I brought that to the Town before there was a Storm Water Tasks Force, so that comes as no surprise to me. We didn't plan well, and the folks in charge of doing that were obviously tasked with doing other things so it didn't get done. Has to be a self-funded operation fully. Carl- The Traffic Sign and Devices, this is a $28K line item, it's like $17,500 for lines in the roads, which i am very interested in, the new paved roads are wonderful but we seem to have lost the lines, so this $17,500 is for the lines we are painting? Jack- Yes, the lines we are painting, the roads, the handicap parking, the parking spaces, anything white around town. Carl- So you think we will see lines on the roads anytime soon? Jack- We are now doing roads on a rotation and obviously if something has faded more quickly, which often happens with 4. ===PAGE 5=== Gil Gulliv actions now and is there money in here somewhere to address those? Jack- There is money in there somewhere, there are no open actions right now, we just had our inspection done, and next year we will be looking at revising the emergency action plan. We are on a rotating plan. One year we do inspections and the next year we revise the emergency plan. The money that is in there for that does not get touched unless we need it so that money is table-marked for compliance with the Shirley Damn with the division of dam safety because if we give it back we will not see it. • Public Schools Dr. Burnham, Superintendent of Schools, presented their budget. *Please see attachment* Questions Committee: Hannah- Did you say you are trying to get a grant to pay for salary? Dr. Burnham- So we have Title 1 funding, it's an entitlement grant, we will get the grant, we have to write a proposal on how to spend the money but every year we are allotted an amount of funds through Title 1, we have been advised we will receive a $30K reduction to the Title money compared to the Title money we received this year. I have to take a look at what actually comes in July, sometimes they warn us the cuts are coming and sometimes they are not as severe as they caution that they will be. We prepare based on the information that they provide us, so we are acting now based on the notion that we will be $30K less in that grant line but we will see in July. If there is a way possible to fund that literacy coach position, even if it is a part-time funding then we are going to look at that. John- Your budget request is $21,029,000 compared to the Town Managers Target Budget $20,695,000 with a difference of 334,000 increase over that, you made a compelling case as to why you need that money. The question is simple, if the additional money is not forth coming, how would you make adjustments to your plans to accommodate the towns availability to pay? Dr. Burnham- So you see the budget cuts that were proposed and you see the impacts, some of the impacts mean my administrative team will be picking up some of the responsibility for areas that have been cut, the greatest impact you will see is some shift in increase in class size at the High School for some courses such as our Advisory Program, our Foreign Language classes, etc. John- I guess I asked the question poorly, could you reshow me what the consequences are and is there a way to mitigate consequences of those reductions in say staff positions under your plan, is there a way to mitigate the effects without increasing your budget? Dr. Burnham-We spent hours and hours, literally, multiple meting sessions for hours, pouring over the options and the choices you see presented to you this evening are the options that have the least impact to students. There are other options that would have had a greater impact on students, this is the best we can move forward at this time with the smallest amount of negative impact for our students. There is really not any good way to mitigate what you see in those impact statements. John- You talked about Virtual Highschool at the higher grades, how does that work and is that a program that can be translated to the lower grades or not? Dr. Burnham- Virtual High School is limited to high school, there are other options we can take a look at outside Virtual High School, we've just recently started to explore some of those options and they can translate down to the Primary grade level. We are not in any position to move forward in that regard in anyway because essentially that is not face to face learning, it is totally online learning and it would not be my recommendation to move to that model of learning in the early grades. It is more appropriate for the middle and high school, but 5 ===PAGE 6=== Michelle- It looks like a big jump this year, is the way the budget is written this year or what you are proposing, does it put us in a better position next year and in the years to come to not have this regular increase or more than what we would have expected for an increase? Dr. Burnham- As far as a budget proposal? Michelle- Yes. Dr. Burnham- No, in all honesty you saw the list of needs we identified in our original work back in November, we took many positions off the list, because we know at the time we were budgeting with a guideline of an 8% increase in our health insurance, so that was a factor because every position you have to factor in the health insurance cost as well. That full list of positions that we started this process with, factoring in that 8% for health insurance, would have been an ask from the School Department of an 8% increase and that is not at all feasible or really doable in any way, so that is when we prioritized this list. What do we have to have for the next year? Example on tat have to have list, is 1st grade teacher, we currently have five 15 grade teachers. I currently have 6 Kindergarten teachers with a class size of 25 each. If those 6 Kindergarten classes move forward to five 15 grade classrooms, those classes automatically are going to go to 30 in a classroom. Given that and tie trot at that we kerg historically , at would now mean would have 32 students in each grade grade classroom. That is not educationally sound. That can't happen. So, we have to find a way to put that 15* grade teacher in, that is why that position stayed within this budget, it was in the original proposed. It is in the 2.5% budget as well. The same need exists for the central office support. Over time you know, in response to budget crisis in the past, with the economic collapse in example over a decade ago, budget cuts for positions elimination, but the responsibilities are increasing, there are constantly new responsibilities coming for tracking data, reporting data, etc. from the Department of Education. More responsibilities, less people. People are jugging the work, honestly in some cases, the work of three people and mistakes are made. Then you have man hours lost to correct the mistakes, it not efficient and it's not timely so that is a position we absolutely have to have in order to have an efficient operation. The Para Professional, they are not brand-new positions, they are positions that have been acquired and are currently temporary and are being paid out of the substitute account but they are employees that we need to carry because students I.E.P's (Individual Education Plan) now call for that position for their support. Can't continue to carry them as day to day subs when I need the to report to work every day so that "new" position is just going to be carried into the salary position of the report. Michelle- I just want to make sure I asked the question correctly; I understand in this budget cycle you are looking for an increase that is above what the Town Manager is recommending. Are we going to go through this again in the next budget cycle? Dr. Burnham- Likely, unless there are new needs that are identified between now and next November, the next big need I have will be to restore a curriculum director type role. The district has been without somebody to lead curriculum in the district since 2012, I think. That's really the nuts and bolts of what we do day in and day out, curriculum, instruction, professional development, all of that work is vilely important. It's not as important as the need for a 1s grade teacher which is why it is not in this year's budget requests. You will likely see that position in a budget when I come back next year. Michelle- And the same level of increase in the entire budget? Dr. Burnham- I can't say that, I really don't know, I can tell you that I continue to learn the ways in which the district is operating. There is some high level of conversations that need to be had mainly at the middle school and high school around course offerings, course pathways, if there are different was that we can approach the instructional model. Potentially with some reorganization there can be reductions in FTE (Full Time Employees) that can offset the increases that I am asking for. I don't know if they would be a completely be a net zero. I can't say that I wouldn't be asking for some bit of an increase, but you have my word that I will do my best to find those places that we can to cut the cost to have those increases in. 6 ===PAGE 7=== being a high school teacher myself, I would say the best place to increase sizes in the classroom would be the high school. Marc- Okay, thank you. Hannah- I have a question but it is actually for Town Manager, the 2.5% that you recommend, is it because in the charter we voted on not going above 2.5% for taxes or? Town Manager- No, starting in December when the budget is sent out departments were sent target budgets, it was all to balance the budget at that point and time with the revenues that we knew that we projected at that time. Public: Carl Luck, 50 Sunset Lane- I have a question not particular to the school's budget but impact upon the Town particularly OPEB, of the adds, how many new adds are there with full benefits? Michael Cassidy (Business Manager/HR Manager)- Of all the new budgeted full-time positions, we had a portion of those positions that we budgeted benefits. Just knowing the percentage, the % of para professionals I applied that to new positions and for the new teacher I automatically applied some insurance to that position. Carl- I'm not worried about the cost because the cost is ail in your school; I am trying to track the OPEB impacts which is just how many full-time benefit people will be added there that will show up in our OPEB liability. Is there a number, was it 1, 2, 3, 4? Michael Cassidy- I believe there was probably around 4. 4. Committee/Department updates. Committee Public Access Cable-Marc Capital Planning-John H. Dept. of Public Works - John H Department updates Following up on the conversation relative to the fuel tanks and I have collected the data on the gallons of gasoline and diesel collected for the last 3-4 FY's and I am getting at what cost we paid for buying in bulk relative to the pump price, and I have one more thing to follow up on, the pump price of premium. COA - John H Library- Michelle W. Police Dept - Marc Fire Dept - George Schools - Hannah Monty Tech - Hannah Green Comm Task Force-Jay Sewer Commission —Jay Charter Review Comm - Terri 5. Minutes John Motioned to accept the minutes of 2.28.2019 Hannah Second. Vote 6-0. 6. Town Manager/Financial Officer Reports 7 ===PAGE 8=== now for several months, we have a 4.x number and 2.5 number, which number is the recommendation of the Superintendent and School Committee today? Heather Sroka, our next meeting in in April. Terri- Okay, at this point then just because there are people watching that can't hear a thing that is coming from over there, is it sounds like basically based on some of the information that has come forward, it sounds like that the School Committee will be meeting in April to further adjust the budget as it is. And I'm sure at this point, do you have an idea of what the gap is between the Town Budget and the Schools? Dr. Burnham- It's approximately $334,000. Terri- Is that of the level service budget or what is asked? Dr. Burnham- It's the in between from my recommended 4.2% budget and the Town Managers 2.5% budget. Terri- Okay. Did that answer your question? Peter- It did but it raised another one, which is you just pointed out that the Finance Committee is making your budget recommendations on March 26? Terri- March 28th for the warrant articles that are going to Town Meeting. At that time, the Town Manager will present the numbers that will be part of the recommendation at Town Meeting. Finance Committee will at that time vote to make any recommendations or make any movements, there may be movements that are suggested at the interim. The process is, at the Public Hearing, action will be taken for the Finance Committee to makes its recommendation to Town Meeting. Peter- Okay, maybe I am the only person in the room that sees things a little out of sorts here as far as order, so is it appropriate for the Town Manager and the Finance Committee to make a recommendation on the overall budget without a recommendation from the School Department budget from the School Committee and Superintendent? Because so far, we don't have one, we have an explanation of line items but we don't have an explanation on a budget. Terri- I don't know whether it makes sense but, basically that is how the schedule is going to go based on how the School Committee is going to be meeting and when we have the Public Hearing. The Public Hearing is by charter and bylaw required to be when it is. Peter- I understand. Is this a normal course of procedure? Terri- Yes. Whether or not they have had their additional recommendations prior to our Public Hearing, might have changed over time, but basically the procedure the way it does go. And again, there are going to be meetings between the Town Manager and the Schools going right up until that night. Peter- I understand that, I am fairly familiar with the process although I find this one a little bit concerning, somewhat to do with the schedule of events as they have occurred of the course of the last several months. School Department explained it that of their goals of the School Committee are late forward, the last was is the communication and collaboration. And it sounds like there has been a lot of communication and collaboration amongst the School Department, the individual members of the School Committee, and the administration, but there has not been a lot of communication and collaboration between the public and the parents about the much effects of a 2.5% budget. That's fairly new information. It was published in a letter It was theshedi and ter from the Town Manager that came out in the Ledger in February, there was a rumor that came out the weekend before last that the Foreign Language and extracurricular activities were about to be cut in the School Department, and discussed openly at a School Committee meeting, I believe for the first tie openly, last Wednesday. There has not been a large discussion amongst the parents and the community at large of the effects of what is going to happen in this town when these funding decisions take place. We are looking at a new assistant Town Manager, we are looking at new operations person in the School Department, we have a Lunenburg Middle/High School that as two principles in it, and I believe 5 gym teachers and we are cutting our Foreign Language program, we are going to have one spoken language in the Lunenburg schools, no language in the middle school, no after school extracurricular activities in the high school, and I believe this needs some scrutiny, think it needs some leadership on the School Committee to go out there and fight for more money. 7% in one department, 9% in another department, 11% in another department, 8 ===PAGE 9=== there is such a thing from the School Department as a level service buget because I saw one thing from a slide that was not touched on and first would like to know what a level service budget is from one year to another? And my last comment, I can get that from them, I think a lot of the things that I heard from the School Department at the School Committee meeting last week have a lot to do with the curriculum that I would have to agree with the previous speaker. You would think you would involve a lot more from the parents. Someone that doesn't have children in the school or children at all, I am still concerned that curriculum choices such as the reduction of one spoken language, that was the one that was probably the most startling in a School Department and school district that prides itself on being out there teaching a broad range of subjects, broad range of not just sciences and math's, but the arts, and language, and cultures as well. That struck me, you would think that reduction of that type would be discussed really early on and have a lot of input from the all players, not just the School Committee and School Department. So just three comments to think to consider and I will take the answers from my level service question from my seat. Dr. Burnham- As a point of clarification, it's not that there will be no clubs at the high school, we will have to reduce the number of clubs offered at the high school but there will stll be clubs running. Additionally, we are not eliminating down to one language being offered, next year we will still have a French offering for students currently on the French track, they will be able to continue that advanced track as far as they would like to take it including all the way to A.P. French. We will still have an offering of Spanish and Latin in our Foreign Language program. And really, we have seen an increase in the registrations for our Latin offering, which is why currently it is a stronger area of interest for our students. It's not that we are wishing to eliminate curriculum options but we will gradually phase this out, we will follow the students that are in it. I am happy to having discussions about retaining perhaps French I and French II but nothing beyond that eventually. We just cannot sustain the three languages that are currently being offered based on student interest and registration for the courses. As far as a level service budget we didn't get down into the details of that because essentially that means we keep exactly what we have nothing more. That percentage increase, quite frankly, is currently below the 2.5% target. So, to have a discussion about the service budget, it just doesn't make sense, it does not give us what we need. Honestly, the target budget will give us more of what we need, but even to hit that target budget, to get the additional positions that are needed, we have to make reductions and adjustments elsewhere. And there is just not enough room in supply lines and other expenses to recover that kind of a gap, over $300K. The operational budgets are honestly very lean. We don't have a lot of wiggle room. I'm a little bit nervous at what to anticipate for that Kindergarten class coming in. If we need that the Kindergarten classroom, it's not in this budget. So, it's as lean as we can get it to the 2.5%. It's not what I would recommend, it is not that I am requesting. That's the target that we have to live with. Those are the cuts that we would recommend. Again, to have the least negative impact to students, they will still have curriculum offerings, they will still have athletics, we are not cutting athletics, we are not cutting the arts. We are still scaling down in one language but still they have choices. Hannah- You are scaling down to Latin and Spanish, am I under the impression that it is one teacher that does both? I have a high schooler so I don't get all the information all the time correct but trying to understand it. Dr. Burnham- So this is the nature of things that get a little tricky, we have some teachers, Foreign Language teachers that have licenses in multiple languages. It's one of those things where you have a teacher of Math you have a Math license, you don't have an Algebra I license, Geometry license, a Calculus license. In the Foreign Languages, you have to be licensed in a particular language, we have some that have multiple licenses. They can teach Spanish and French. We have one teacher that is licensed in 9 ===PAGE 10=== to say t again here and am going to keep saying It, because i don't feel as if it is being conveyed enough, it's not just what I feel, but my current students feel, and it's what my past students feel when they discovered that my program, our program in Lunenburg, which has been in Lunenburg for decades and decades and decades is being dismantled. Are the numbers lower? Yes, they are. And I was talking to somebody else, also a long time Lunenburg resident, that had heard about it and I said Yes, it's being phased out and she said that's terrible, I went to Acton schools and I took Russian and in my senior year we had a class of four and we just had the most amazing experience in a Russian class of four. I realize there are incredible budgetary demands at the lower levels; I am not saying that those should not be met. It's absurd to have a class of thirty 1st graders in one classroom. I do not know how money can be changed and reallocated but I am going to say a few things about not just the Foreign Language program but some things that are being affected that made a huge difference to kids. The first is advisory, we instituted that purpose for our accreditation through NEAS because we needed to address the social and emotional needs of our students, it has been a wonderful experience in most advisories and we are coming up for an accreditation process and we are going to take that away. Which we put in place specifically to satisfy the demands of the NEASC committee. In the goals that we put up in the beginning of the Lunenburg Public Schools, we want to offer a well-rounded education, that should include choices for students and I have a problem with looking at languages and saying because it is not the most popular, we should take it away. Because when you are a child, as any parent would know, your child has certain interest and you want to try to expose them to as many things as possible so they can grow into directions that maybe they had never considered. By offering three languages, student get that possibility. They can grow in ways that they had never expected. To look at French numbers and say, they are the lowest numbers so that program has to go is just devaluing to the kid's experiences that have happened for years and years and years. The schools need more money. This is a program that I think needs to be preserved. It's been here for decades. We are losing a Foreign Language teacher that is a full-time Spanish teacher from Uruguay, she's a native speaker, she's young, energetic, fantastic, and we are losing her and increasing class sizes in all Spanish classes. These kinds of cuts may be small numerically have a small impact but they have a ripple effect. It's going to decimate our program. We have two languages and one of which isn't spoken. Okay so Latin numbers are growing, that's fantastic, I'm sorry it's a different kind of a skill to read Latin and transiate Latin, but try speaking it. That's a skill that is valuable. But these are skills that are extremely important to a well-rounded student should be. We should be the district that preserves these kinds of choices for our kids. Thank you. Tom Alonzo-wanted to publicly apologize to the School Committee because they did have handouts for their slides. Carl Luck, 50 Sunset Lane- I would like to go back to my starting public comment and formally requests at least a copy of the towns budget with expenses to date on the line items, I got to believe that at least exists somewhere and I would like to request a copy of that for the towns budget at least. Terri- Karen Brochu will be posting that on the Towns Website. Marc- I am in a lucky position that I get to speaks four different languages. Yes, I learned it the hard way because my parents moved me to a country that I didn't speak. It was like, here's the school, it starts at 7am on Monday, have fun. I need to say it was an interesting but great experience. I can leverage all my languages only on a daily basis. In the job I am an IT, it helps a lot to address people in the language that they want to be spoken too. I still struggle with the Canadian French but that's something different. But I 10 ===PAGE 11=== 9. Adjournment Hannah made a motion at 9:50pm. John second. Vote 6-0 Attachments: DPW Line Item Lunenburg Public School Line Item 11