What was said
Cemetery Commission, July 30, 2025
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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.
The short version
- ▶ 23:47The Cemetery Commission approved an engineering firm's scope of work for a North Cemetery back-lot expansion, paid from capital funds.
- ▶ 1:10:19Members reviewed sale-of-lots and perpetual-care trust fund balances, pending accountant confirmation, to plan the year's spending.
- ▶ 52:50The commission chose to start with a pilot phase of leaning and fallen headstones before deciding on more extensive cracked-stone repairs.
- ▶ 1:35:16The commission approved payment for a file cabinet and scheduled site visits to both cemeteries for mid- and late August.
Why it matters — our reading
- This sets in motion an engineering-funded expansion of North Cemetery and starts committing capital and trust funds to headstone repair, hedge or fence replacement, and road work.
- Spending from the perpetual-care and sale-of-lots trust funds is being planned now but was not finalized; the interest-rate assumption behind those fund estimates still needs the town accountant to confirm it.
- A legal question about the commission's authority to repair privately owned headstones using perpetual-care funds remains unresolved.
Watch next
- November meeting: revisiting whether to pull additional trust-fund money
- August 14 and August 28 site visits to North and South Cemetery
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Present: the chair (chair (unnamed in captions)); Bill (commission member / DPW liaison); John (commission member); Mike (commission member); Don (commission member). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.
Votes
- ▶ 23:47approve the engineering firm's (heard as "Dillis and Roy") updated scope-of-work quote for North Cemetery back lot survey/design, funded from capital funds — moved by a member, as heardpassed
- ▶ 1:35:16approve payment to WB Mason for a fireproof file cabinetpassed
And 3 procedural: approve the june 26, 2025 minutes (▶ 1:39); approve the july 3, 2025 minutes (▶ 2:14); adjourn the meeting at approximately 7:45 p.m. (▶ 1:44:56).
Against the town’s minutes
The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 0 agree, 4 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 3 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a summary.
- differsvendor name for fireproof cabinet
recording WB Mason
town’s minutes “W.D. Mason”
Neither is obviously the caption's fault — 'W.B. Mason' is the real office-supply company, so ours may be closer and the official minutes may have the typo; check the actual invoice for the correct vendor name.
- differsdecision — site visit dates for North/South Cemetery
recording North Cemetery August 14 at 7:30am; South Cemetery August 28 at 7:30am
town’s minutes “Planned future onsite meetings at the North Cemetery for August 14th and South Cemetery for August 28th (postponed to September 9th at 7:30 am for North, and South Cemetery on September 18th).”
Official minutes append a postponement (to Sept 9 and Sept 18) that is not in our recording of the July 30 meeting — check whether that postponement was decided later and added to these minutes afterward, or happened live and was missed by the transcript.
- differsattendee — 'John' has no official counterpart
recording John (commission member)
town’s minutes “Mike Clark, Dave Dorren, Donna Landry, Bill Bernard”
None of the four official attendees is named John — check whether this is a mishearing of 'Dave' (Dorren) or an unlisted additional speaker (e.g., a vendor rep or Cemetery Superintendent Todd Holman).
4 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
- decision — software training name:Chair will coordinate scheduling of 'SIM software'/GIS training with the vendor→CIMS Software
- attendee — Bill's last name:Bill (commission member / DPW liaison)→Bill Bernard
- attendee — Mike's last name:Mike (commission member)→Mike Clark
- attendee — 'Don' vs Donna Landry:Don (commission member)→Donna Landry
In one record only: 24 from the recording, 3 from the town’s minutes
- Recording only — transfer — capital article carryover for North Cemetery: prior 2024 capital article carryover, $10,606, discussed only
- Recording only — figure — North Cemetery engineering scope estimate: $50,000
- Recording only — figure — bidding threshold/exception: 10, 10,000
- Recording only — figure — arborvitae/tree replacement quotes: $7,000, $5,600, 20, 15
- Recording only — figure — post-and-rail fencing cost estimate: $260, $100, 360
- Recording only — figure — granite post supplier quote (Swenson, NH): 70, 10, 5K
- Recording only — figure — Amanda Construction headstone repair quote: 120, $4,800, 13, 135, 10,000
- Recording only — figure — alternative headstone-straightening quote: 35
- Recording only — figure — Bullock Brothers hedge trimming quote: $7,500
- Recording only — figure — Ray Morin roadside branch-trimming service: 4600, 21
- Recording only — figure — sale-of-lots and perpetual-care fund balances: 94K, 94494, 233 602, $328,97
- Recording only — figure — trust fund interest rate assumption: 2 and 12%, 2.54, 8,200
- Recording only — figure — five-year lot sales history: 48, 141, 800, 51
- Recording only — figure — average annual lot sales/revenue estimate: 9.6, 32, 33,000
- Recording only — figure — spendable amount without depleting principal: 41,000, 40
- Recording only — figure — FY spending plan across current projects: 24945, 14, 5700, 48
- Recording only — decision — private pre-meeting with engineering firm: hold a private working meeting with the engineering firm before the public back-lot-design meeting
- Recording only — decision — add construction-specifications section to scope of work: have engineering firm add specs section so project can go to bid once designed
- Recording only — decision — request additional headstone quote from Brett Ramsen: request additional quote from Brett Ramsen for comparison
- Recording only — decision — pilot phase on ~120 leaning headstones first: proceed first with ~120 leaning/fallen headstones as a pilot before broader repairs
- Recording only — decision — Ray Morin's crew to handle roadside branch trimming: Ray Morin's crew handles roadside trimming, cemetery staff cleans up after
- Recording only — decision — keep spending conservative, revisit trust funds in November: keep spending conservative for now, revisit pulling additional trust-fund money at November meeting
- Recording only — decision — review neighboring towns' cemetery rules/regulations: chair/John to review neighboring towns' forms and draft updated Lunenburg proposal
- Recording only — decision — give electrical contractor one more chance on Fitch-area work: give contractor (heard as WMD/MWD Electric) one more chance to complete approved Fitch-area electrical work before seeking another contractor
- Town’s minutes only — decision — GIS/CIMS training contact person: “Mike to check with Brian Finley to schedule training.”
- Town’s minutes only — decision — CIMS/GIS integration follow-up: “Mike discussed the integration between CIMS software and GIS as well as training – to be determined in the future.”
- Town’s minutes only — topic — crack sealing review: “Reviewed crack sealing cemetery in North and South Cemetery.”
Compared 2026-09-28. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.
Transfers
| at | what moved | amount, as heard | outcome |
|---|---|---|---|
| ▶ 1:17:49 | prior capital article transfer (approved in 2024) for North Cemetery work, carried-over balance now available toward engineering/repair costs | 10,606 | discussed only |
The money
- ▶ 18:20North Cemetery engineering scope of work (Dillis and Roy)
The engineering firm's updated survey/design quote for the back lot expansion would be paid out of the cemetery's capital funds. Members said the price compared favorably to other engineering firms' rates.
as heard:$50,000
- ▶ 21:47Engineering quote breakdown
A member noted the total price for the engineering work, which starts with a wetlands-resources check that determines whether further filing steps are needed.
as heard:$12,000
- ▶ 22:47Bidding threshold / engineering exception
Members discussed that competitive bidding is normally required above a threshold, but engineering services are exempt from that requirement.
as heard:1010,000
- ▶ 25:55Historic arborvitae/tree replacement quotes
Old quotes from 2023 and 2013 for replacing the front hedge trees were reviewed, covering different tree sizes and counts, as a baseline for updated pricing.
as heard:$7,000$5,6002015
- ▶ 30:28Post-and-rail fencing material cost estimate
A member sketched rough material costs for a granite/wood post-and-rail alternative to hedging, based on retail pricing.
as heard:$260$100360
- ▶ 31:13Granite post supplier quote (Swenson, NH)
A New Hampshire granite post specialist quoted a price to set posts along a stretch of frontage, excluding rails, labor and painting.
as heard:70105K
- ▶ 43:29Headstone repair quote (Amanda Construction), South Cemetery front section
A stonework/wall contractor quoted repairing tipped, cracked and uneven historic headstones in the oldest section, itemized by type of repair; the full quote exceeds the bidding threshold.
as heard:120$4,8001313510,000
- ▶ 53:30Alternative headstone-straightening quote
Members recalled a prior, higher hourly-rate quote from another provider for straightening a monument, used for comparison.
as heard:35
- ▶ 1:02:36Hedge trimming quote (Bullock Brothers), North Cemetery
A landscaping quote was received to trim and tie back the drooping north-cemetery hedges to prevent snow damage; no competing quote was obtained yet.
as heard:$7,500
- ▶ 1:06:49Ray Morin roadside branch-trimming service
A tractor-mounted boom mower service to cut back tree branches overhanging cemetery roads was discussed as either an operational or commission expense, weighed against other planned spending.
as heard:460021
- ▶ 1:10:19Sale-of-lots and perpetual-care fund balances
Current balances in the sale-of-lots fund and the perpetual-care fund were reviewed as the basis for planning the year's spending, pending confirmation from the town accountant.
as heard:94K94494233 602$328,97
- ▶ 1:11:23Interest rate assumption on trust funds
An assumed interest rate was used to estimate annual interest income on the two funds, to be verified with the accountant since actual reported interest looked like an unusually high return.
as heard:2 and 12%2.548,200
- ▶ 1:12:31Five-year lot sales history
Lot sales over the past five years in the south and north cemeteries were tallied at a flat per-lot price to estimate typical annual revenue, with 2025 sales so far running well below the recent average.
as heard:4814180051
- ▶ 1:13:37Average annual lot sales and revenue estimate
Average yearly lot sales for each cemetery were used to project a rough annual revenue figure, which a member cautioned may not hold this year given low year-to-date sales.
as heard:9.63233,000
- ▶ 1:15:41Spendable amount without depleting principal
Based on interest plus average annual lot-sale revenue, members discussed how much could be spent this year while preserving fund principal, and considered starting conservatively.
as heard:41,00040
- ▶ 1:22:16FY spending plan across current projects
Members totaled the likely near-term costs (headstone repair, cabinet, contingency) against available funds and decided to hold off drawing further reserves until a November meeting.
as heard:2494514570048
- ▶ 1:35:16WB Mason fireproof file cabinet payment
The commission approved paying the invoice for a fireproof file cabinet purchased from WB Mason.
as heard:1,7001,74464
Settled without a vote
- ▶ 2:57Chair will coordinate scheduling of SIM software/GIS training with the vendor once his calendar is known.
- ▶ 9:28Pursue grants on two tracks: commission members research and contact grants directly, and also submit requests through the town manager's state-earmark process.
- ▶ 18:41Hold a private working meeting with the engineering firm before the public back-lot-design meeting, to hash out basic details first.
- ▶ 17:37Have the engineering firm add a construction-specifications section to its scope of work so the project can go out to bid once designed.
- ▶ 41:46Get updated arborvitae quotes and use AI-generated renderings to compare hedge-only, post-and-rail, and mixed design options before choosing a replacement for the front hedges.
- ▶ 54:56Request an additional headstone-repair quote from Brett Ramsen (mason) for comparison before committing to the full contractor scope.
- ▶ 52:50Proceed first with the roughly 120 leaning/fallen headstones as a pilot phase with the contractor before deciding on the more extensive broken/cracked repairs.
- ▶ 1:07:33Have Ray Morin's crew handle roadside branch trimming in the cemeteries, with cemetery staff cleaning up afterward.
- ▶ 1:25:02Keep spending conservative for now and revisit pulling additional trust-fund money at the November meeting.
- ▶ 1:38:54Schedule an early-morning site visit to North Cemetery (back lot and front shrubs) for August 14 at 7:30 a.m., and to South Cemetery for August 28 at 7:30 a.m.
- ▶ 1:37:09Chair/John will review neighboring towns' cemetery rules-and-regulations forms and draft a proposal for updated Lunenburg forms.
- ▶ 1:43:56Give the electrical contractor (heard as WMD/MWD Electric) one more chance to complete the approved Fitch-area electrical work before seeking another contractor.
Where the time went
Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.
- facilities71 min · 70%
- capital27 min · 26%
- budget20 min · 19%
- legal16 min · 15%
- technology9 min · 9%
- roads and dpw6 min · 6%
- grants5 min · 5%
- policy1 min · 1%
- public comment0 min · 0%
The whole meeting, in order
- ▶ 0:02Call to order and Pledge of Allegianceprocedural · 0:44 long
- ▶ 1:10Approval of June 26 and July 3, 2025 minutesvoted · 1:23 long
- ▶ 2:33SIM cemetery software account setup and GIS mapping training schedulinginformational · 2:57 long · technology
- ▶ 5:54Grant search strategy and state earmark processdecision reached (no vote) · 4:38 long · grants
- ▶ 10:54Detailed discussion of GIS mapping/plot-overlay capability using existing cemetery mapsinformational · 6:01 long · technology, facilities
- ▶ 16:55North Cemetery back lot expansion: engineering scope of work, pricing, and process with Dillis and Royvoted · 7:59 long · capital, facilities
- ▶ 24:54Front hedge/arborvitae replacement options: quotes, natural hedging vs. post-and-rail fencing, AI-generated design renderingsdecision reached (no vote); to be explored further · 17:54 long · facilities
- ▶ 43:29Headstone repair quote (Amanda Construction) for South Cemetery's oldest section, and legal question on perpetual-care authority to repair stonesdecision reached (no vote); legal question unresolved · 15:34 long · facilities, legal
- ▶ 59:03Additional stone-repair quote from mason Brett Ramsen and phasing of the workdecision reached (no vote) · 2:52 long · facilities
- ▶ 1:02:15North Cemetery hedge-trimming quote (Bullock Brothers)discussed only, more quotes to be sought · 2:07 long · facilities
- ▶ 1:04:22Roadside branch trimming (Ray Morin tractor/boom mower) and whether it is a maintenance or commission costdecision reached (no vote) · 4:11 long · facilities, roads and dpw
- ▶ 1:08:33Crack sealing and asphalt patching of cemetery roadsinformational · 1:25 long · roads and dpw, facilities
- ▶ 1:09:58Cemetery trust fund review: sale-of-lots and perpetual-care balances, interest, historical lot sales, and a spending plan for the yeardecision reached (no vote); to be revisited in November · 18:56 long · budget, capital
- ▶ 1:28:54Discussion of burial vs. cremation trends, long-term cemetery capacity, and possible alternate uses of wooded commission landinformational · 6:02 long · facilities
- ▶ 1:34:56Approval of WB Mason fireproof cabinet paymentvoted · 0:41 long · budget
- ▶ 1:35:37Public commentno comments offered · 0:20 long · public comment
- ▶ 1:36:49Signing of minutes and plan to draft updated cemetery rules/regulations formsdecision reached (no vote) · 0:42 long · policy
- ▶ 1:37:31Scheduling August site visits to North and South cemeteries; status of stump removal, Fitch-area railing, and electrical contractor follow-updecision reached (no vote) · 7:08 long · facilities
- ▶ 1:44:55Adjournmentvoted · 0:04 long
What the captions could not carry
- Exact figures for the North Cemetery/back-lot fund balances are garbled in places (e.g. "$328,97", "233 602") and could not be confirmed against a clean total.
- The contractor's proper name for the electrical work is unclear between "WMD Electric" and "MWD Electric."
- Whether "Bill" and "Bill McGrath" refer to the same or different people is not clear from the captions.
- Vote counts are not stated for any motion; only a general spoken "aye" is audible, with no roll call or numeric tally.
- The name of the person who suggested "natural hedges" (heard as "Robin Benazia") is uncertain.
- Several stretches discussing fund figures (around 4200-5150s) are rapid, overlapping, and partly garbled, making some specific dollar figures unreliable.
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