What was said

Conservation Commission, July 19, 2017

the recording · 2:12 long, about 15,547 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:44:48The Commission voted to move forward with an enforcement order at 70 Oak Ridge Drive over a destroyed retaining wall; the engineer is to return with a restoration plan.
  2. ▶ 52:16The Commission accepted the Lake Shirley association's herbicide treatment proposal with area 36 removed and areas 37 and one through four to be reviewed in the field.
  3. ▶ 1:18:21The Commission accepted relocation of the leach field at 48 Oak Ridge Drive as a field change to the first amendment and continued the second amendment to August 2nd.
  4. ▶ 1:01:28Hearings for 58 Hemlock Drive, 22 Shady Lane, the Verizon monopole request and the 338 amended hearing were each continued to August 2nd.
  5. ▶ 7:51A member will ask the lake association to include an article about work near the lake in its next emailing; staff will review a tip sheet or poster.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The Lake Shirley vote sets which parts of the lake are treated this season, and the enforcement order at 70 Oak Ridge Drive shows how the Commission handles work done in protected areas without approval.
  • Several projects, including septic work at 48 Oak Ridge Drive, remain open and will return for decisions that affect neighbors and lakefront owners.

Watch next

  • August 2nd: continued hearings return, including 58 Hemlock Drive, 22 Shady Lane, the Verizon monopole, the 338 amended hearing and the second amendment for 48 Oak Ridge Drive.
  • Saturday the 29th: site visit at 48 Oak Ridge Drive; a public hearing on the forestry matter is to be scheduled for the first meeting in September.

legalplanning and zoningpublic commentrecreation

Present: Matt (conservation agent); Carl (member); Jack (member); Mr. Chairman (chair); Dominic (presenter (lake consultant)); Jamie (presenter (engineer for 70 Oak Ridge Drive)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 13:17Continue the Verizon Wireless monopole request for determination to August 2nd.passed
  2. ▶ 15:27Continue 58 Hemlock Drive until later in the meeting.not audible
  3. ▶ 52:16Accept the Lake Shirley treatment proposal with review of areas 37 and one through four (36 removed).passed
  4. ▶ 1:01:28Continue 58 Hemlock Drive to August 2nd.passed
  5. ▶ 1:02:14Continue the 22 Shady Lane request for determination to August 2nd.passed
  6. ▶ 1:03:18Continue the 338 amended hearing to August 2nd.passed
  7. ▶ 1:18:21Accept the relocation of the leach field at 48 Oak Ridge Drive as an accepted field change to the first amendment.passed
  8. ▶ 1:19:04Continue the second amendment for 48 Oak Ridge Drive to August 2nd.passed
  9. ▶ 1:44:48Move forward with an enforcement order at 70 Oak Ridge Drive.passed

And 1 procedural: adjourn. (▶ 2:11:43).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 7 agree, 1 caption error resolved by the official reading, 7 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsWhich hearing was continued for an absent applicant (22 Shady Lane vs 22 Boucher Road)▶ 1:02:14

    recording Continue the 22 Shady Lane request for determination to August 2nd. — passed

    town’s minutes “the meeting was continued as the applicant did not appear by a motion of cl and a second by td with a unanimous vote by the commission approving the motion.”

    The address differs (Shady Lane vs Boucher Road, Joe Esposito); this may be a misheard name, but check the recording and the agenda. The official minutes give the reason as applicant absence and a unanimous vote, and do not say the date was August 2.

  2. differs58 Hemlock Drive continuation vote▶ 1:01:28

    recording Continue 58 Hemlock Drive to August 2nd. — passed

    town’s minutes “as the plans needed to be amended with measurements it was continued to aug 2.”

    Our minutes record a vote (and an earlier inaudible vote to continue it until later in the meeting). The official minutes record only a continuation with no motion or vote. Check the recording.

  3. differs338 amended hearing continuation▶ 1:03:18

    recording Continue the 338 amended hearing to August 2nd. — passed

    town’s minutes “continued due to lack of voting quorum as cl had to recuse himself.”

    Our minutes show a vote to continue; the official minutes say it was continued for lack of a quorum after CL recused himself, with no vote. Check the recording for the reason and whether a vote was taken.

  4. differs70 Oak Ridge enforcement order and what the engineer must bring back▶ 1:38:57

    recording Move forward with an enforcement order at 70 Oak Ridge Drive. — passed; the engineer is to return with a plan to restore the wall and grading to original conditions, and house foundation work may proceed.

    town’s minutes “it was decided that he would come to the august 2nd 2017 meeting with an as-built showing the current wall and suggestions for remedial action.”

    Both record an enforcement order. Our minutes say the engineer returns with a plan to restore to original conditions and that foundation work may proceed. The official minutes say he returns Aug 2 with an as-built and suggestions for remedial action, and do not mention foundation work. The order itself is recorded as requiring the area returned to pre-existing condition. Check the recording.

  5. differs225 Sunset Lane▶ 2:06:39

    recording 225 Sunset Lane to be added to site visits.

    town’s minutes “hearing rescheduled to august 2, 2017 due to a need to re-advertise the hearing.”

    Our minutes add 225 Sunset Lane to site visits. The official minutes only record the John Harrison hearing at 225 Sunset Lane being rescheduled to Aug 2 for re-advertising, with no site visit. Check the recording.

  6. differsForestry matter hearing and site walk▶ 1:46:43

    recording A public hearing on the forestry matter is to be scheduled for the first meeting in September.

    town’s minutes “arrangements are being made by mm for a special meeting”

    The official minutes have a special meeting on August 30 and a town forest site walk on August 26 at 9 AM. Our minutes have a hearing at the first September meeting. Check the dates against the recording.

  7. differsAttendees: members present▶ 0:00

    recording Matt (conservation agent); Carl (member); Jack (member); Mr. Chairman (chair)

    town’s minutes “chairing the meeting called at 7pm with rb, cl,td and jr attending”

    The official minutes name Richard Bursch (chair), Todd Dwyer, Carl Luck, Jack Rabbitt and Matthew Marro. Our minutes do not name Todd Dwyer. Bob Pease is named in a motion, so check whether he attended.

1 caption error the town’s minutes resolve
  • Lake consultant name:Dominic (presenter (lake consultant))→Domenic▶ 52:16
In one record only: 0 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Town’s minutes only — 101 Pleasant fine reminder: “he was reminded to pay his fine and a list was given to him reviewing the items”
  • Town’s minutes only — 70 Oak Ridge $100 fine: “the existing violations were recalled by mm noting there was a 100 dollar fine issued.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Manseau and New England Clean Energy hearings rescheduled: “hearing rescheduled to august 2, 2017due to a need to re-advertise the hearing.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Other items: 183 Hemlock, 155 Reservoir, David King at 667 Reservoir: “183 hemlock dr - continued from july 5, 2017 to august 2, 2017”
  • Town’s minutes only — Area 36 not treated because only fanwort met the criteria: “dominic agreed that area 36 should not be treated as the only plant to meet the criteria was fanwort”

Compared 2026-11-06. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 8:53Mailing costs

    The lake association prefers email and social media over postal mailings to watch its budget.

  2. ▶ 1:59:38Performance bond for road remediation

    A bond covering remediation of a road was renewed; the town can cash it in if no action is taken.

  3. ▶ 2:03:26Fine collection

    The town discussed collecting an unpaid fine and the option under newly passed state law to pull a permit.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 7:51A member will ask the lake association to add an article about work near the lake to its next emailing; staff will review a tip sheet or poster.
  • ▶ 1:17:36Site visit set for Saturday the 29th for the commission to see 48 Oak Ridge Drive, generally around 8 to 10.
  • ▶ 1:38:57At 70 Oak Ridge Drive, the engineer is to return with a plan to restore the wall and grading to original conditions, and house foundation work may proceed.
  • ▶ 1:46:43A public hearing on the forestry matter is to be scheduled for the first meeting in September.
  • ▶ 2:06:39225 Sunset Lane to be added to site visits.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Vegetation survey treatment map (LSIC, survey completed 7/5)
  • As built drawings of the yards (155 Reservoir Road)
  • As-built showing the current wall (70 Oak Ridge Road)
  • Historical photos of the old beach (667 Reservoir Road)
  • Bid specs (town forest, consulting forester)

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 19:41treatment area mapplan or drawing, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Vegetation survey treatment map (LSIC, survey completed 7/5)”)
  • ▶ 10:26updated plansplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 18:08year-end reportreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:48:05aerial photoplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:03:04order of conditionsapplication or permit· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 8:53A lake association representative said they prefer email and social media outreach over mailings to limit costs. — a speaker, lake association representative
  2. ▶ 47:39A lake association representative asked the board to approve the treatment map, excluding area 36 and with field review of areas one through four. — a speaker, lake association representative

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 1:13Public outreach to lake residents about work near the lakeagreed to ask the lake association to send an email · 8:01 long · planning and zoning, legal
  2. ▶ 9:14Cell tower request for determination (Verizon monopole)continued · 4:03 long · planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 15:49Lake Shirley herbicide treatment proposalvoted, approved with conditions · 37:51 long · recreation
  4. ▶ 54:0158 Hemlock Drive stepscontinued to August 2nd · 8:13 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 1:02:14Other continued hearingscontinued · 1:26 long
  6. ▶ 1:03:4048 Oak Ridge Drive septic amendment, decks and patiofirst amendment accepted, second continued · 16:10 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 1:19:5070 Oak Ridge Drive retaining wall violationvoted enforcement order · 25:46 long · legal
  8. ▶ 1:45:36667 Reservoir Road sand beach proposal and foresterreferred to engineer · 13:16 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 1:58:52Road remediation bond and fine enforcementinformational · 7:04 long · legal
  10. ▶ 2:05:56Agent reports, commissioners, file organizationinformational, adjourned · 6:24 long · town departments

What the captions could not carry

  • Vote counts were not stated for any motion.
  • Many address numbers and names are garbled in the captions.
  • Captions of the discussion around 6336 to 6460 are garbled.

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 15:49Lake weed controlWhat does the Lake Shirley weed treatment cover and what does it cost?

These are ours, and they are not the record

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