What was said

Conservation Commission, February 21, 2018

the recording · 2:59 long, about 21,094 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:01:11The Commission issued a standard order of conditions for the Hickory Hills Dam overtopping project, with no replacement of the lost wetland, noted as non-significant.
  2. ▶ 44:34Negative determinations were voted for the house and driveway at 221 Goodrich Street and for the 5 Electric Avenue parking lot.
  3. ▶ 37:09Hearings for 307 Townsend Harbor Road, 548 Northfield Road and 45 Route 12 were continued to March 7.
  4. ▶ 1:36:01On the Lake Shirley management report, members agreed a five foot water clarity threshold; the improvement corporation will propose more sampling sites.
  5. ▶ 2:52:39Residents asked that small-town forest harvest revenue go back into trails, signs and parking; the Commission took no action on the police ATV request, as it is in the capital plan.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The dam order allows work to proceed without replacing the wetland lost, which bears on flood protection and wetland habitat near the lake.
  • The clarity threshold and added sampling sites will shape how Lake Shirley's water quality is measured and judged.
  • Where timber revenue from the town forest goes decides whether trails and parking there are repaired, and the ATV request is funded through the capital plan, not Commission money.

Watch next

  • March 7: continued hearings for 307 Townsend Harbor Road, 548 Northfield Road and 45 Route 12.
  • A site walk for the extension permit project, set before March 7.

capitalgrantslegalpublic commentpublic safetyrecreationtechnology

Present: Alexa Todd (member); Bobby (member); Katie child's (member); Matt (conservation agent); Jack Rabbit (member (absent)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 32:21Negative determination for house and driveway at 221 Goodrich Streetnot audible
  2. ▶ 34:25Continue 307 Townsend Harbor Road hearing to March 7not audible
  3. ▶ 36:09Continue 548 Northfield Road hearing to March 7not audible
  4. ▶ 37:09Continue 45 Route 12 hearing to March 7not audible
  5. ▶ 44:34Negative determination for 5 Electric Avenue parking lotnot audible
  6. ▶ 1:01:11Standard order of conditions for Hickory Hills Dam with no replication of the wetland loss, noted as non-significantnot audible
  7. ▶ 1:04:02Approve insignificant field changes at 496 Mass Avenot audible

And 2 procedural: approve minutes of january 6 (▶ 2:58:24); adjourn; next meeting march 7, 2018 (▶ 2:59:07).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 8 agree, 4 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 5 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsContinuance for 45 Route 12 vs 40 Fire Rd 12▶ 37:09

    recording Continue 45 Route 12 hearing to March 7 — not audible

    town’s minutes “continued to 3/7 at 7 bp moved and cl seconded.”

    Same date and likely same item, but the address differs (45 Route 12 vs 40 Fire Rd 12); check the agenda for the correct address.

  2. differs5 Electric Avenue negative determination▶ 44:34

    recording Negative determination for 5 Electric Avenue parking lot — not audible

    town’s minutes “kj moved to issue a negative determination with the condition that snow removal must be off site and not over the stone wall. bp seconded and the commission approved unanimously.”

    The outcome is the same, but our minutes omit the snow-removal condition; check the recording for the condition.

  3. differsLake Shirley clarity threshold and sampling▶ 1:36:01

    recording Agreed a five foot clarity threshold for Lake Shirley; the improvement corporation will propose additional sampling sites.

    town’s minutes “it was agreed that the lsic will submit for review and discussion discussion/approval the following:”

    The official minutes say the 5 ft limit goes back into the LMP with about 6 sample points rather than 14 (fewer, not additional). Check the recording on whether sites were added or reduced.

  4. differsForest timber revenue figure▶ 2:16:46

    recording Small-town forest timber revenue: $5,000, 46,000 dollars

    town’s minutes “forest stewardship grant - no action”

    Our minutes list dollar figures that the official minutes do not print; they only record the Forest Stewardship Grant as no action. Check the recording for the amount.

  5. differsPolice ATV figures▶ 2:41:23

    recording Police ATV purchase: 20 grand, 5 or 6 grand, $18,000

    town’s minutes “the commission did not take any action as cl noted it was already funded for purchase by the town.”

    Our minutes carry conflicting dollar amounts; the official minutes print none. Check the recording for the cost.

4 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Attendee Bobby:Bobby (member)→Bob Pease
  • Attendee Katie child's:Katie child's (member)→Catie Childs
  • Attendee Jack Rabbit (absent):Jack Rabbit (member (absent))→Jack Rabbitt
  • Attendee Alexa Todd:Alexa Todd (member)→Todd Dwyer
In one record only: 0 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Town’s minutes only — Drawdown/refill data request to LSIC: “drawdown/refill data for the period nov. 30, 2016 through april 2017.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Land gift on Pleasant Street/Young's Road declined: “the commission indicated they were not interested in the land as it is mostly wetland and is not developable or useful for passive recreation.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Snow removal reminder: “the commission remined kim that snow removal by the wetland must be done off site.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Public comment, Steve Douglas: “steve douglas 24 wintergreen court asked if kim was the owner she said yes.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Other attendees: Bursch, Luck, Jones, presenters: “call to order by vice chair dwyer at 7 pm with mr. rabbitt absent and chair bursch participating remotely.”

Compared 2026-11-05. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 2:16:46Small-town forest timber revenue

    The harvest overran in volume and value, adding revenue; residents asked that proceeds go back into trails.

    as heard:$5,00046,000 dollars

  2. ▶ 2:41:23Police ATV purchase

    The police sought help from the Commission; members noted it is already in the capital plan.

    as heard:20 grand5 or 6 grand$18,000

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 1:36:01Agreed a five foot clarity threshold for Lake Shirley; the improvement corporation will propose additional sampling sites.
  • ▶ 2:58:02Site walk for the extension permit project set before March 7.
  • ▶ 2:52:39No action on the police ATV request since it is in the capital plan.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print a list, headed documents presented for consideration was:

  • WPA form 1 by Martha Macdonald
  • Site plan for 221 Goodrich Street by David E. Ross
  • Notice of Intent by Hickory Hills Landowners Association
  • Plan by Tighe and Bond entitled "Dam overtopping Project" dated December 6, 2017

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • LSIC annual report
  • LMP (Lake Management Plan) clarity sampling map
  • Order of Conditions from the Shirley Conservation Commission
  • Enforcement order cover letter (draft)
  • WPA form 6 Notice of non significance

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 46:55presentation on the dam projectpresentation, shown· in the minutes’ list (“Plan by Tighe and Bond entitled "Dam overtopping Project" dated December 6, 2017”)
  • ▶ 1:04:51annual year-end report on Lake Shirley management programreport, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“LMP (Lake Management Plan) clarity sampling map”)
  • ▶ 2:54:31eleven by seventeen plan sheetsplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: WPA form 1 by Martha Macdonald; Site plan for 221 Goodrich Street by David E. Ross; Notice of Intent by Hickory Hills Landowners Association.

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 43:10Asked whether the applicant was tenant or owner at the Electric Avenue hearing. — Steve Douglas, as heard
  2. ▶ 43:10Asked about plantings along the 30 foot no-disturb zone at Electric Avenue. — Matthew Ellison, as heard
  3. ▶ 2:21:24Trails at the small-town forest are hard to follow after logging; asked how they will be marked and restored. — Tom Bertram, as heard
  4. ▶ 2:26:37Debris from the harvest is heavy; wants a plan and harvest revenue spent on trails and parking. — Paula Bertrand, as heard
  5. ▶ 2:32:13Resident urged that harvest revenue go back into trails, signs, parking and maps rather than other purchases such as the ATV.
  6. ▶ 2:35:22Residents asked for trail maps and online information; a regional trail coalition offers mapping.
  7. ▶ 2:45:22Commission should meet its own needs, such as the small-town forest, before donating to the ATV purchase. — a speaker, resident
  8. ▶ 2:46:27Said the ATV was fully funded in the capital plan. — Matthew Ellison, as heard

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Drone consultant presentationinformational · 26:40 long · technology
  2. ▶ 28:35221 Goodrich Street hearingvoted · 4:45 long · planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 33:44Continued hearingscontinued to March 7 · 3:46 long · planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 37:315 Electric Avenue parking lotvoted · 7:29 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 45:26Hickory Hills Dam notice of intentvoted · 16:49 long · capital, legal
  6. ▶ 1:02:36496 Mass Ave field changesvoted · 1:50 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 1:04:26Lake Shirley management reportinformational · 1:11:34 long · recreation
  8. ▶ 2:16:01Small-town forest updateinformational · 22:09 long · recreation, grants
  9. ▶ 2:38:10Violations, ATV request, land giftno action · 14:51 long · public safety, capital
  10. ▶ 2:53:01Extension permit; minutes; adjournmentvoted · 6:06 long · planning and zoning

What the captions could not carry

  • Vote counts on all motions were not stated.
  • Stretches of the Lake Shirley discussion were garbled.
  • Several figures and names were unreliable.

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 2:32:34Conservation timber fundHow much did the small-town forest harvest bring in and how may it be spent?

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