What was said

Conservation Commission, May 16, 2018

the recording · 3:01 long, about 20,742 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:12:09The Commission voted to update the 307 Townsend Harbor Road permit so sand is moved to a small patch at the top of the hill and removed by June first.
  2. ▶ 1:28:36It issued negative determinations for Horizon Island Road, Highland Street, Fire Road and 435 Townsend Harbor Road, and a standard order of conditions for 54 Maple Parkway and 179 Island Road.
  3. ▶ 1:50:32Hearings for Hickory Hills, 455 Mass Ave, 352 Townsend Harbor Road, 141 Hemlock and 564 Page Street were continued, mostly to June 6.
  4. ▶ 7:51The Commission was recorded taking up a vote to endorse the stormwater committee's letter for a 319 grant application; the outcome is not audible in the captions.
  5. ▶ 2:39:08An enforcement order for 164 Page Street is to be delivered by constable, with a fine to be considered at the next meeting.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Decisions on shoreline sand, tree removal and building near wetlands set what abutters and lake users can do at the water's edge, and the sand ruling affects a spot residents say has long been used for recreation.
  • The 319 grant would bring state money toward stormwater work at the Mulpus Brook headwaters, with the committee covering the remainder including in-kind contributions, so its fate shapes what the town itself must contribute.

Watch next

  • June 6 continuations for 141 Hemlock, 564 Page Street, 455 Mass Ave and 352 Townsend Harbor Road.
  • The next meeting, where a fine for the 164 Page Street enforcement order is to be considered.

grantslegalplanning and zoningpublic commenttown departmentswater sewer

Present: Mr. Chairman (chair); Matt (conservation agent); Jack Rabbit (member); Doug (engineer presenting for applicants). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 7:51Endorse the draft letter supporting the 319 grant application presented by the stormwater committee.not audible
  2. ▶ 10:24Continue the Hickory Hills hearing to June 20th.passed
  3. ▶ 11:27Continue the 455 Mass Ave hearing to June 6th.passed
  4. ▶ 14:15Approve 54 Maple Parkway with a standard order of conditions.passed
  5. ▶ 17:32Negative determination for 103 Horizon Island Road with wattle language.passed
  6. ▶ 22:41Negative determination for 298 Highland Street tree removal.passed
  7. ▶ 23:22Continue 352 Townsend Harbor Road to June 6th.passed
  8. ▶ 28:24Negative determination for 232 Fire Road shed with straw wattle at the 50 foot.passed
  9. ▶ 35:03Negative determination for 435 Townsend Harbor Road tree removal with two additions.passed
  10. ▶ 1:12:09Update the RDA for 307 Townsend Harbor Road with sand moved to a spot four inches deep, 5 by 10 feet at the top of the hill, removed by June first.passed
  11. ▶ 1:28:36Standard order of conditions for 179 Island Road with wattles at 50 foot and no clearing beyond limit of work.passed
  12. ▶ 1:50:32Continue 141 Hemlock hearing to June 6th.passed
  13. ▶ 2:05:31Continue 564 Page Street hearing to June 6th.passed

And 2 procedural: approve minutes of april 4th with changes. (▶ 2:47:35); adjourn. (▶ 3:01:00).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 13 agree, 1 caption error resolved by the official reading, 3 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differs307 Townsend Harbor Road (Dixon sandy beach) vote▶ 1:12:09

    recording Update the RDA for 307 Townsend Harbor Road with sand moved to a spot four inches deep, 5 by 10 feet at the top of the hill, removed by June first. — passed

    town’s minutes “there was a motion by bp to issue a negative determination with the condition the beach be finished by june 1, 2018. kj seconded and the commission voted unanimously.”

    Ours describes updating the RDA with sand removed by June 1; official describes a negative determination with the beach finished by June 1 (and a split decision is mentioned elsewhere); check the recording for the actual motion and vote.

  2. differsJoint meeting with Board of Selectmen on the 22nd▶ 8:14

    recording Commission would try to hold a joint meeting with the Board of Selectmen on the 22nd about the land swap, if a fourth voting member could attend.

    town’s minutes “the commission agreed to meet with the bos in executive session for the 22nd of may at 7 pm.”

    Ours makes it conditional on a fourth member and says nothing about executive session; official states it as agreed, in executive session. Check the recording.

  3. differs141 Hemlock plan revision▶ 1:50:32

    recording 141 Hemlock plan to be revised with final grades and work limit at 50 feet for the June 6 continuation.

    town’s minutes “a motion to continue the meeting until june 6, 2018 at the ritter building with agreement of the applicant was made by kj”

    Official does not mention the plan revisions; check whether those were requested.

1 caption error the town’s minutes resolve
  • Attendee: Doug:Doug (engineer presenting for applicants)→Doug Smith▶ 0:00
In one record only: 3 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Endorse 319 grant letter vote: Endorse the draft letter supporting the 319 grant application presented by the stormwater committee. — not audible ▶ 7:51
  • Recording only — Rob's Hill forest cutting proposal figures: Forest cutting proposal for Rob's Hill: 56 acre cut, $35,000 ▶ 2:07:02
  • Recording only — Hollis Road gift fund and revolving account figures: Hollis Road gift fund and revolving account: 50 grand, $100,000 ▶ 2:49:49
  • Town’s minutes only — 319 grant dollar figures: “committee reports - storm water 319 grant information”
  • Town’s minutes only — Staggered plantings for 564 Page Street: “the commission indicated it wanted s taggered plantings with a conservation seed mix.”
  • Town’s minutes only — 842R Chase Road overdue assessments: “assessments are overdue. mm to check”
  • Town’s minutes only — 654 Massachusetts Ave fine paid: “mm noted that the reduced 600 dollar fine has been paid.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Chair and absent members: “the meeting was called to order by chairman bursch with all attending except vice chair dwyer and mr. luck.”

Compared 2026-11-05. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 6:10319 grant for Mulpus Brook stormwater work

    Stormwater committee is seeking a grant from DEP with roughly half coming from DEP and the committee covering the rest including in-kind contributions.

    as heard:one hundred and sixty thousand dollarseighty thousand dollars

  2. ▶ 2:07:02Forest cutting proposal for Rob's Hill

    The contractor's proposal estimated a cut of part of the property; a member thought it was too much of the parcel.

    as heard:56 acre cut$35,000

  3. ▶ 2:49:49Hollis Road gift fund and revolving account

    A member reported researching town reports on funds tied to the Hollis Road land and house lease.

    as heard:50 grand$100,000

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 8:14Commission would try to hold a joint meeting with the Board of Selectmen on the 22nd about the land swap, if a fourth voting member could attend.
  • ▶ 1:50:32141 Hemlock plan to be revised with final grades and work limit at 50 feet for the June 6 continuation.
  • ▶ 2:39:08Enforcement order for 164 Page Street to be delivered by constable; fine to be considered at the next meeting.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print a list, headed documents presnted for consideration was a request for a determination by the applicant and:

  • Request for a determination by the applicant and modified hand sketches amended during the meeting by agreement of the applicant on May 16, 2018 (Dixon)
  • Notice of intent by the applicant and site plan by Ducharme and Dillis dated May 1, 2018 with a wetland delineation added to the rear yard (Dippin Donuts)
  • Request for a determination by the applicant and a modified hand sketch by the applicant dated April 2018 (Gravelle; same heading also used for Faherty, Vailette and Nelson)
  • Notice of intent by Joseph O’Brien and a plan by Doug Smith dated April 27, 2018
  • Notice of intent by Mike Nault and a plan by Doug Smith dated April 28, 2018
  • Notice of intent by Tim Ialeggio and a plan by Doug Smith dated April 27, 2018

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Updated plans (Kenneth Tully delineation)
  • Hickory Hills lake management plan update
  • Fisheries and wildlife draft report
  • Certificates of Compliance: 33 Birch Island Way 208-1038 and 189 Elmwood Road Lot 3 208-1033
  • Storm water 319 grant letter
  • Commission regulations regarding prohibition of new beaches versus grandfathered old beaches

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 4:26letter of recommendationletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:09:50annual update for the lake management planreport, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Hickory Hills lake management plan update”)
  • ▶ 2:43:19Fisheries and Wildlife reportreport, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Fisheries and wildlife draft report”)
  • ▶ 2:49:49town reportsreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: Request for a determination by the applicant and modified hand sketches amended during the meeting by agreement of the applicant on May 16, 2018 (Dixon); Notice of intent by the applicant and site plan by Ducharme and Dillis dated May 1, 2018 with a wetland delineation added to the rear yard (Dippin Donuts); Request for a determination by the applicant and a modified hand sketch by the applicant dated April 2018 (Gravelle; same heading also used for Faherty, Vailette and Nelson); Notice of intent by Joseph O’Brien and a plan by Doug Smith dated April 27, 2018; Notice of intent by Mike Nault and a plan by Doug Smith dated April 28, 2018; Notice of intent by Tim Ialeggio and a plan by Doug Smith dated April 27, 2018.

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 0:38Stormwater committee member asked the Commission to endorse a letter supporting a 319 grant application for stormwater work at the Mulpus Brook headwaters, due June 1. — a speaker, stormwater committee member
  2. ▶ 57:07Resident suggested a compacted base material instead of sand for the beach at 307 Townsend Harbor Road, noting long recreational use of the spot.
  3. ▶ 58:43Another resident said the beach area has been used for generations and is where debris collects.
  4. ▶ 1:41:37Abutter raised concerns about the proposed driveway, trees and notice to Hickory Hills for the 141 Hemlock hearing.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Public comment: stormwater 319 grant letter and joint meetingvoted · 10:00 long · grants, public comment
  2. ▶ 10:02Continuations: Hickory Hills and 455 Mass Avevoted · 1:48 long · planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 11:50Maple Parkway, Horizon Island Road, Highland Street, Fire Road and Townsend Harbor Road hearingsvoted · 24:00 long · planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 37:36307 Townsend Harbor Road sandy beachvoted · 35:54 long · planning and zoning, legal
  5. ▶ 1:16:11179 Island Road, 141 Hemlock and 564 Page Street notices of intentvoted · 49:40 long · planning and zoning, legal
  6. ▶ 2:09:50Annual lake management plan updateinformational · 27:50 long · recreation
  7. ▶ 2:37:44Agent reports, drawdown application, minutes, Hollis Road fundsvoted · 23:16 long · legal, town departments

What the captions could not carry

  • Vote result on the grant letter endorsement and on adjournment is not clear
  • Stretches around 5400-5600 and 10700-10860 are garbled or off-topic chatter

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 6:10Stormwater grant optionsWhat would the 319 stormwater grant cost the town and who pays the match?already answered: topic:stormwater-grants
  • ▶ 2:49:49Hollis Road house fundWhat happened to the Hollis Road gift fund and revolving account?

These are ours, and they are not the record

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