What was said

Conservation Commission, September 19, 2018

the recording · 3:46 long, about 29,234 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 2:40The Conservation Commission heard a forester's presentation on a proposed Rob's Hill timber harvest and largely opposed public comment; no vote was taken.
  2. ▶ 1:40:20The chair said nothing was being voted on, and the harvest plan is to be reviewed again at a later meeting after comments.
  3. ▶ 48:57Residents asked about expected revenue; the forester said values come only after a cutting plan and bids, and that first-cut money is earmarked for bridge, gate and accessibility work.
  4. ▶ 2:03:30The commission continued the 141 Hemlock Dr notice of intent, the Hickory Hills drawdown plan and the 200 Townsend Road request to October 3rd.
  5. ▶ 2:11:54The commission approved a septic upgrade at 217 Reservoir Road, lifted an enforcement order at 255 Sunset Lane, and issued a new enforcement order on a Pleasant Street owner.

Why it matters — our reading

  • A harvest on town conservation land, and the timber revenue it might bring toward town-forest projects, has not been decided, so residents can still comment before any plan is approved.
  • Revenue was described as funding forest management, while the commission said income was not the driver, so the money figures are still unknown until a cutting plan and bids exist.

Watch next

  • October 3rd, when the continued wetland hearings return to the commission.
  • A later meeting at which the Rob's Hill harvest plan is reviewed again after the comments.

legalplanning and zoningpublic comment

Present: Gary Gould rip of New England forestry consultants (presenter); Matt (conservation agent); mister luck (member); Carl (member). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 2:03:30Continue 141 hemlock Dr notice of intent to October 3rdnot audible
  2. ▶ 2:04:32Continue Hickory Hills drawdown management plan to October 3rdnot audible
  3. ▶ 2:11:54Approve 217 Reservoir Road septic upgrade with standard order of conditionsnot audible
  4. ▶ 2:22:46Continue 200 Townsend Road RDA to October 3rdnot audible
  5. ▶ 2:24:32Close out and remove enforcement order at 255 Sunset Lanenot audible
  6. ▶ 2:34:42Issue partial certificate of compliance for 380 Sunset Lane lotsnot audible
  7. ▶ 3:20:25Issue enforcement order on 101 Pleasant Street ownernot audible

And 1 procedural: adjourn (▶ 3:45:53).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 5 agree, 2 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 1 substantive difference. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differs200 Townsend Road RDA continuation▶ 2:22:46

    recording Continue 200 Townsend Road RDA to October 3rd — not audible

    town’s minutes “cl moved to continue until such time as further information was given. td seconded and the commission voted unanimously”

    Both continue the item, but ours says to October 3rd and the official says only until further information is given. Check the recording for a date.

2 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Attendee Gary Gouldrup:Gary Gould rip of New England forestry consultants (presenter)→Gary Gouldrup▶ 0:00
  • Attendee Carl Luck:mister luck (member)→Carl Luck▶ 0:00
In one record only: 7 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Close out and remove enforcement order at 255 Sunset Lane: Close out and remove enforcement order at 255 Sunset Lane — not audible ▶ 2:24:32
  • Recording only — Partial certificate of compliance for 380 Sunset Lane lots: Issue partial certificate of compliance for 380 Sunset Lane lots — not audible ▶ 2:34:42
  • Recording only — Enforcement order on 101 Pleasant Street owner: Issue enforcement order on 101 Pleasant Street owner — not audible ▶ 3:20:25
  • Recording only — Timber revenue and yield figures: Small town forest timber revenue: $1,500; Projected timber yield and revenue: 5855 tons ▶ 48:57
  • Recording only — Agent to contact lake management consultant about overdue compliance items: Agent to contact the lake management consultant about overdue compliance items and dates. ▶ 2:53:44
  • Recording only — Draft minutes sent out in advance after meeting-law discussion: Draft minutes to be sent out in advance after a meeting-law discussion. ▶ 2:56:37
  • Recording only — Member asked to revisit how Rob's Hill was chosen: A member asked to revisit how Rob's Hill was chosen at a future discussion. ▶ 51:01
  • Town’s minutes only — Lake Shirley Order of Conditions extension continued by vote: “kj moved to continue. jr seconded and the commission voted unanimously”
  • Town’s minutes only — 155 Reservoir Road survey fines of $100 per day: “155 reservoir road -mm sent a letter that survey was due by the 10/3 meeting or fines would commence at 100 dollars per day”
  • Town’s minutes only — Saliba lots letter of support: “the commission requested a more formal letter and they will add to the agenda to ratify a letter of support.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Perrins Pond minor change and UNITIL certificates of compliance continued: “certificates of compliance - unitil-continued to next meeting”
  • Town’s minutes only — Absent members and other attendees: “call to order chairman bursch called meeting to order. all present except bp and cc”

Compared 2026-11-05. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 48:57Small town forest timber revenue

    Money from the first cut is earmarked for bridge repairs, a gate and accessibility work.

    as heard:$1,500

  2. ▶ 58:31Projected timber yield and revenue

    A resident asked for projected and actual yields and revenue versus cleanup costs; the forester said values come only after the cutting plan and bids.

    as heard:5855 tons

  3. ▶ 1:25:30Revenue as driver of forest management

    The forester said harvesting revenue funds ongoing management; the commission said income was not the driver.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 1:40:20Rob's Hill harvest plan to be reviewed again at a later meeting after comments; nothing voted.
  • ▶ 51:01A member asked to revisit how Rob's Hill was chosen at a future discussion.
  • ▶ 2:53:44Agent to contact the lake management consultant about overdue compliance items and dates.
  • ▶ 2:56:37Draft minutes to be sent out in advance after a meeting-law discussion.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print a list, headed documents presented for consideration was a notice of intent buy mike nault and a pland by rose land survey dated 9/18/18:

  • Notice of Intent by Mike Nault (MJN Realty Trust) and plan by Rose Land Survey dated 9/18/18
  • Notice of Intent Form 3 and supporting documentation (Hickory Hills Association)
  • Notice of intent by Mitchel Bixby and plans entitled "Sewage Disposal System" by David Ross and Associates

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Talent bank form for conservation (storm water booth, Stillman fair)

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 1:59forest management plansreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 10:56enlarged map of skid trailsplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:12:43Saliba package of informationletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:55:51minutes from the last meetingprior minutes, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: Notice of Intent by Mike Nault (MJN Realty Trust) and plan by Rose Land Survey dated 9/18/18; Notice of Intent Form 3 and supporting documentation (Hickory Hills Association); Notice of intent by Mitchel Bixby and plans entitled "Sewage Disposal System" by David Ross and Associates.

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 30:40Resident opposed cutting conservation land used for skiing and walking
  2. ▶ 32:32Opposes logging; asked how much money expected and why — Lisa lento, as heard, resident
  3. ▶ 39:43Habitat, wetlands protection, abutter notice, revenue — Donna Crowe, as heard, resident
  4. ▶ 41:57Why Rob's Hill, small town forest cleanup, recreation closure, restoration plan — Paula Bertram, as heard, resident
  5. ▶ 51:46Repair of trails, erosion, soil compaction, brush piles, wood chips — Robin Venezia, as heard, resident
  6. ▶ 58:31Projected yield, revenue and budget transparency; pace of cutting — Carolyn Luscher, as heard, resident
  7. ▶ 1:13:03Skidders versus ATVs, fairness, asked town counsel to weigh in — George F Martin, as heard, resident
  8. ▶ 1:17:19Asked what happens if nothing is done; options — Brennan Grady, as heard, resident
  9. ▶ 1:30:31Legality of selling hemlocks with woolly adelgid; call for vote — Carol hung, as heard, resident
  10. ▶ 1:34:04Resident presented nearly 100 abutter signatures against the cut
  11. ▶ 1:34:49Best practices manual, leaving tops, soil fungi — Lisa, as heard
  12. ▶ 1:35:50Resident asked about knotweed and bittersweet invasives after cutting

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Opening and announcementsinformational · 2:40 long
  2. ▶ 2:40Rob's Hill forest management and timber harvest presentation with public commentinformational, no vote · 1:38:23 long · public comment, planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 1:41:57141 Hemlock Dr notice of intentcontinued to Oct 3 · 21:53 long · planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 2:03:50Hickory Hills drawdowncontinued · 1:06 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 2:04:56217 Reservoir Road septicvoted approval · 7:19 long · planning and zoning
  6. ▶ 2:12:15Saliba crossing driveway discussioninformational · 9:49 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 2:22:04Continuations and enforcement orders, certificatesvoted/continued · 13:30 long · legal
  8. ▶ 2:35:34Lake Shirley extension and drawdown, fish killno vote · 19:56 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 2:55:30Minutes and event over Mulpus Brookinformational · 12:33 long · legal
  10. ▶ 3:08:03Agent report, plantings, solar meadow, filinginformational then adjourned · 37:50 long · planning and zoning

What the captions could not carry

  • Vote counts for all votes
  • Several speaker identities during public comment
  • Garbled stretches around 6400-6500

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 58:31Conservation timber fundHow much did the small town forest harvest earn and where did the money go?

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