What was said

Conservation Commission, October 17, 2018

the recording · 3:10 long, about 21,915 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:17:20The Commission continued the Hickory Hills lake drawdown hearing to the November 7 meeting, with the agent to work with the applicant on draft order conditions.
  2. ▶ 26:59It voted a standard order of conditions for 46 Fire Road 12, with added erosion, waddle and white pine conditions, to be written once a revised plan is submitted.
  3. ▶ 1:30:31It voted a standard order of conditions for 611 Reservoir Road, with the sand area kept below the wall cap and pitched away from the lake.
  4. ▶ 2:24:24Members agreed to schedule a Rob's Hill workshop and site visit, with dates to be set, and to share part of a conference registration cost with the Sewer Commission.
  5. ▶ 3:09:44The minutes record a grant application for the Hollis Hills property and a move of the November meeting to the 28th, but the votes were not audible.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The Hickory Hills drawdown decision affects how the lake is managed for weeds, and the minutes note that mechanical removal by a contractor is a cost the drawdown tool can avoid.
  • The two orders of conditions set the terms for shoreline and buffer-zone work on private property near water, and they apply to the permitted work at those addresses.

Watch next

  • The Hickory Hills drawdown hearing resumes at the November 7 meeting, with draft order conditions expected.
  • The minutes record the November meeting moved to the 28th, but that vote was not audible, so check the posted agenda for the date.

grantslegalplanning and zoningpolicytown departments

Present: Richard birch (member); Bob piece (member); Katy child's (member); Carl luck (member); Jackrabbit (member, remote); Ken Jones (member); Matt (conservation agent); Judy (presenter (DEP wetlands circuit rider)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 26:59Standard order of conditions for 46 Fire Road 12 with added conditions on erosion protection, waddles and at least three white pines, to be written once a revised plan is submittedpassed
  2. ▶ 1:17:20Continue the Hickory Hills drawdown hearing to the November 7th meeting, with the agent to work with the applicant on draft order conditionspassed
  3. ▶ 1:30:31Standard order of conditions for 611 Reservoir Road with the sand area below the cap of the wall and pitched away from the lakepassed
  4. ▶ 2:36:41Proceed with a grant application for the Hollis Hills property for the birds program through DCRnot audible
  5. ▶ 3:09:44Reschedule the November meeting to the 28thnot audible

And 3 procedural: approve minutes of august 15th (▶ 2:40:19); approve minutes of september 5th (▶ 2:41:51); adjourn (▶ 3:10:14).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 2 agree, 1 caption error resolved by the official reading, 5 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differs46 Fire Road 12 Order of Conditions vote▶ 26:59

    recording Standard order of conditions for 46 Fire Road 12 with added conditions on erosion protection, waddles and at least three white pines, to be written once a revised plan is submitted — passed

    town’s minutes “kj moved to isse an order of conditiuons with the special conditions: 1. erosion protection would be added at the base of the driveway.”

    Both record a passed vote, but conditions differ (ours: waddles, three white pines; official: stockpile areas, project schedule) and official notes JR abstaining; check the recording for the exact conditions and the abstention.

  2. differsPurpose of Hickory Hills continuance▶ 1:17:20

    recording with the agent to work with the applicant on draft order conditions

    town’s minutes “to allow for mm and the landowners to plan for sampling”

    Reason for continuance is described differently; check the recording.

  3. differsHollis Hills DCR grant vote▶ 2:36:41

    recording Proceed with a grant application for the Hollis Hills property for the birds program through DCR — not audible

    town’s minutes “rb moved to pursue. kj seconded and the commission voted unanimously.”

    Ours could not hear the outcome; official records it as passed unanimously.

  4. differsMMA registration cost / expenditure vote▶ 2:34:58

    recording Commission agreed to cover part of the MMA registration cost with the Sewer Commission.

    town’s minutes “kj moved to approve the expenditure. cc seconded and the commission voted unanimously.”

    Official records a formal unanimous vote, split half and half with the Sewer Commission, not recorded as a vote in ours; check the split.

  5. differsReschedule November meeting to the 28th▶ 3:09:44

    recording Reschedule the November meeting to the 28th — not audible

    town’s minutes —

    Our minutes have a rescheduling decision that the official minutes do not record; check the recording.

1 caption error the town’s minutes resolve
  • Attendee Judy, DEP presenter:Judy (presenter (DEP wetlands circuit rider))→Judith Schmitz
In one record only: 2 from the recording, 4 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Mechanical fanwort removal $5,000 a week: Mechanical fanwort removal: $5,000 a week ▶ 57:14
  • Recording only — Rob's Hill workshop and site visit: Commission agreed to schedule a workshop on Rob's Hill and a site visit, with dates to be set. ▶ 2:24:24
  • Town’s minutes only — Certificates of Compliance vote: “certificates issued by commission with a motion of kj and a second by cc with unanimous votes.”
  • Town’s minutes only — 101 Pleasant Street violation, no action: “the commission took no action pending the timely submission of the bond.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Acting chair Todd Dwyer: “tood dwyer, acting chair called the meeting to order at 7 pm.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Applicants and other attendees: “david osoff, rachel raboin and tim beauchmin appeared before the commission.”

Compared 2026-11-05. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 2:33:10MMA annual meeting registration

    The Sewer Commission funded the member last year and asked the Conservation Commission to split this year's cost. It covers registration, reception and one hotel night.

    as heard:two hundred and thirteen dollars$230

  2. ▶ 57:14Mechanical fanwort removal

    A member noted the cost of paying a contractor to remove fanwort mechanically, as a reason to keep drawdown as a tool.

    as heard:$5,000 a week

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 1:17:20Hickory Hills hearing continued to the November 7th meeting, with the agent to draft order conditions with the applicant.
  • ▶ 27:39Fire Road 12 applicant to submit a revised plan with a storage area and a schedule before the order is written.
  • ▶ 2:24:24Commission agreed to schedule a workshop on Rob's Hill and a site visit, with dates to be set.
  • ▶ 2:34:58Commission agreed to cover part of the MMA registration cost with the Sewer Commission.
  • ▶ 3:09:44Meeting rescheduled to November 28th.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print a list, headed documents considered by the conservation commission was:

  • Notice of Intent by David Osoff
  • Plan by Beauchmin Engineering entitled Site Plan
  • Notice of Intent Form 3 and supporting documentation
  • Notice of Intent by Michael Gormley and plan by Withman and Bingham Associates entitled Notice of Intent Site Plan

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Notice of Intent by Hickory Hills Association for approval of a drawdown management plan
  • GEIR
  • Letter from Brian Marchetti requesting more time
  • Existing Order for the Settler’s Solar field on Northfield Road

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 1:18:27plan revisionsplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 40:23200 page applicationapplication or permit· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:39:37meeting minutesprior minutes· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: Notice of Intent by David Osoff; Plan by Beauchmin Engineering entitled Site Plan; Notice of Intent Form 3 and supporting documentation; Notice of Intent by Michael Gormley and plan by Withman and Bingham Associates entitled Notice of Intent Site Plan.

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 2:52No comments from the public were offered at the opening.
  2. ▶ 2:25:12Asked what a workshop on Rob's Hill would involve and how it would be structured. — Lynn man, 463 Birds Street, as heard, resident

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Attendance, announcements, regional planning trail datainformational · 2:52 long
  2. ▶ 2:5246 Fire Road 12 addition in buffer zone and oak removalvoted: standard order with added conditions · 27:22 long · legal, planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 30:53Hickory Hills drawdown management plancontinued to November 7 · 47:13 long · legal, planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 1:18:06611 Reservoir Road shoreline wall restorationvoted: standard order · 13:29 long · legal, planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 1:31:35DEP presentation on solar farm permittinginformational · 42:26 long · planning and zoning
  6. ▶ 2:14:01Enforcement order update and Rob's Hill workshop schedulingworkshop to be scheduled · 10:59 long · legal, planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 2:25:12Public question on workshop format and Rob's Hillinformational · 6:15 long · public comment
  8. ▶ 2:31:27MMA conference and bird habitat grantvoted on grant application · 6:03 long · grants
  9. ▶ 2:37:30Certificates of compliance and minutesvoted on minutes · 5:10 long
  10. ▶ 2:42:36Committee reportsinformational · 5:44 long
  11. ▶ 2:48:21Agent report: beach erosion enforcement and fire road runoffno resolution · 21:53 long · legal, planning and zoning

What the captions could not carry

  • Roll-call tally for the bird-habitat grant motion and for the meeting date change was not captured.
  • Stretches around 7588-7950 and 11115-11260 are garbled.

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