What was said

Conservation Commission, December 19, 2018

the recording · 3:02 long, about 23,169 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:42:34The Conservation Commission approved the gravel site berm plan on Leominster Shirley Road with the 20-foot strip and no-stockpile area; two members voted no.
  2. ▶ 32:18The commission approved the Hickory Hills lake drawdown plan with conditions on stream flow method, annual approval of depths and winter measurements.
  3. ▶ 1:47:29The commission raised the daily fine at 101 Pleasant Street.
  4. ▶ 2:30:19A letter to the Board of Selectmen not recommending the right of first refusal at 994 Northfield Road was moved; the vote was not audible, and appraisal costs were noted as unfunded.
  5. ▶ 2:17:11The online filing surcharge discussion was continued while the agent consults the town's permitting contact, and an enforcement order on Shady Point beach erosion passed.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The gravel site approval and the lake drawdown conditions set what happens near a river and a lake, and the plans' conditions are what the town can enforce later.
  • If the town cannot pay for two appraisals, it may be unable to use its right of first refusal on Chapter 61 land, so such land may leave protected status without a town bid.
  • A surcharge on conservation filing fees would shift part of the cost of online permitting software onto applicants, and the commission has not yet decided whether it applies to all fees.

Watch next

  • January 2nd: continued hearings at Kilburn Street and 51 Fire Road, the lake management order of conditions, and the Emerald Place beach deadline for a possible fine.
  • The agent's consultation with the town's permitting contact on the online filing surcharge.

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Present: Richard birch (member (remote)); Todd Dwyer (member); Bob Pease (member (arrived late)); Katie child's (chair); Carlock (member); Jackrabbit (member); Ken Jones (member); Matt (conservation agent). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 4:25Continue the Kilburn Street notice of intent to January 2ndpassed
  2. ▶ 7:36Continue the 51 Fire Road notice of intent to January 2ndpassed
  3. ▶ 32:18Approve the Hickory Hills drawdown notice of intent with conditions (stream flow method by spring, annual approval of depths, winter measurements as safety allows)passed
  4. ▶ 1:42:34Approve the gravel site plan as presented, with the 20-foot strip and no-stockpile area shown on the planpassed; two members voted no, Richard birch's vote unclear
  5. ▶ 1:47:29Increase the fine at 101 Pleasant Street to three hundred dollars per daypassed
  6. ▶ 1:50:42Ratify the enforcement orders for 131 and 133 Leominster Shirley Roadnot audible
  7. ▶ 2:01:28Draft a letter supporting the open space planpassed
  8. ▶ 2:30:19Send a letter to the Board of Selectmen not recommending the right of first refusal at 994 Northfield Roadnot audible
  9. ▶ 2:38:26Approve certificate of compliance for 554 Lancasterpassed
  10. ▶ 2:40:10Approve the Unitil certificate of compliance with annual reporting kept as a conditionpassed
  11. ▶ 2:53:51Send an enforcement order to Shady Point about beach erosionpassed

And 2 procedural: approve minutes of november 19th, 27th and 28th (▶ 2:41:56); adjourn to january 2nd (▶ 3:02:16).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 2 agree, 4 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 16 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a summary.

  1. differsKilburn Street NOI continuance vote▶ 4:25

    recording Continue the Kilburn Street notice of intent to January 2nd — passed

    town’s minutes —

    Our minutes record a vote that the official text does not mention; check the full official minutes for this continuance.

  2. differs51 Fire Road NOI continuance vote▶ 7:36

    recording Continue the 51 Fire Road notice of intent to January 2nd — passed

    town’s minutes —

    Vote appears only in ours; check whether the official minutes record it.

  3. differsHickory Hills drawdown NOI approval▶ 32:18

    recording Approve the Hickory Hills drawdown notice of intent with conditions (stream flow method by spring, annual approval of depths, winter measurements as safety allows) — passed

    town’s minutes —

    Substantive approval with conditions is absent from the official text; check the conditions in the official record.

  4. differsGravel site plan vote▶ 1:42:34

    recording Approve the gravel site plan as presented, with the 20-foot strip and no-stockpile area shown on the plan — passed; two members voted no, Richard birch's vote unclear

    town’s minutes —

    Split vote with an unclear member vote appears only in ours; check the official tally and the plan conditions.

  5. differs101 Pleasant Street fine increase▶ 1:47:29

    recording Increase the fine at 101 Pleasant Street to three hundred dollars per day — passed

    town’s minutes —

    Vote and the $300/day figure appear only in ours; verify the amount in the official record.

  6. differsLeominster Shirley Road enforcement orders ratification▶ 1:50:42

    recording Ratify the enforcement orders for 131 and 133 Leominster Shirley Road — not audible

    town’s minutes —

    Outcome was inaudible in the recording; the official minutes should be checked for the result.

  7. differsOpen space plan support letter▶ 2:01:28

    recording Draft a letter supporting the open space plan — passed

    town’s minutes —

    Vote appears only in ours; check the official minutes.

  8. differs994 Northfield Road right of first refusal letter▶ 2:30:19

    recording Send a letter to the Board of Selectmen not recommending the right of first refusal at 994 Northfield Road — not audible

    town’s minutes —

    Outcome inaudible in the recording; check the official minutes for the result and the recommendation.

  9. differs554 Lancaster certificate of compliance▶ 2:38:26

    recording Approve certificate of compliance for 554 Lancaster — passed

    town’s minutes —

    Vote appears only in ours; check the official record.

  10. differsUnitil certificate of compliance▶ 2:40:10

    recording Approve the Unitil certificate of compliance with annual reporting kept as a condition — passed

    town’s minutes —

    Vote and condition appear only in ours; check the official record.

  11. differsShady Point enforcement order▶ 2:53:51

    recording Send an enforcement order to Shady Point about beach erosion — passed

    town’s minutes —

    Vote appears only in ours; check the official record.

  12. differsOnline permitting surcharge figures▶ 2:02:12

    recording Online permitting surcharge on conservation fees: 5%, thirty six thousand dollars, $16,000, seven five hundred dollars

    town’s minutes —

    The captions give conflicting figures; check the official minutes for the actual surcharge and revenue amounts.

  13. differsEmerald Place beach owners notice▶ 1:54:48

    recording The agent will tell the Emerald Place beach owners that a fine will be voted if there is no action by January 2nd.

    town’s minutes —

    Decision appears only in ours; check the official minutes.

  14. differsLake management order of conditions agenda▶ 2:44:25

    recording The order of conditions for the lake management matter will go on the January 2nd agenda.

    town’s minutes —

    Decision appears only in ours; check the official minutes.

  15. differsOnline filing surcharge continued▶ 2:17:11

    recording The online filing surcharge discussion was continued while the agent consults the town's permitting contact.

    town’s minutes —

    Decision appears only in ours; check the official minutes.

  16. differsOpen space committee process for Chapter 61 parcels▶ 2:34:27

    recording Bob Pease will raise with the open space committee a process to flag Chapter 61 parcels early and a rollback tax fund.

    town’s minutes —

    Action item appears only in ours; check the official minutes.

4 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Chair name:Richard birch (member (remote))→Richard Bursch
  • Catie Childs:Katie child's (chair)→Catie Childs
  • Carl Luck:Carlock (member)→Carl Luck
  • Ken Jones:Ken Jones (member)→Kenneth Jones
In one record only: 3 from the recording, 0 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Chapter 61 appraisals: Cost of appraisals for a Chapter 61 first refusal: two certified appraisals ▶ 2:30:19
  • Recording only — Jackrabbit attendee: Jackrabbit (member)
  • Recording only — Matt, conservation agent: Matt (conservation agent)

Compared 2026-11-05. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 2:02:12Online permitting surcharge on conservation fees

    A surcharge on filing fees would help pay for the town's online permitting software. Members debated whether it should apply to all fees and whether taxpayers subsidise permits.

    as heard:5%thirty six thousand dollars$16,000seven five hundred dollars

  2. ▶ 2:30:19Cost of appraisals for a Chapter 61 first refusal

    Exercising the town's right requires two certified appraisals, and the town has no money for them.

    as heard:two certified appraisals

  3. ▶ 1:47:29Daily fine for 101 Pleasant Street

    The daily fine was raised.

    as heard:three hundred dollars per day

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 2:17:11The online filing surcharge discussion was continued while the agent consults the town's permitting contact.
  • ▶ 1:54:48The agent will tell the Emerald Place beach owners that a fine will be voted if there is no action by January 2nd.
  • ▶ 2:44:25The order of conditions for the lake management matter will go on the January 2nd agenda.
  • ▶ 2:34:27Bob Pease will raise with the open space committee a process to flag Chapter 61 parcels early and a rollback tax fund.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 10:44appendix to the initial submissionreport, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 55:27performance standards evaluation letterletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:42:06minutes of November 19, 27, 28 and December 5prior minutes· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:55:08open space planreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 10:24A Hickory Hills representative presented the lake drawdown plan and supporting data. — John fortune, as heard, resident, 50 Hemlock Dr

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Announcements, including the small town forest visit and forestry resourcesinformational · 4:05 long
  2. ▶ 4:05Continuances of hearings on Kilburn St, W Townsend Rd, East St, Fire Roadvoted · 5:38 long · planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 9:43Hickory Hills drawdown management planvoted · 23:45 long · planning and zoning, legal
  4. ▶ 33:28Leominster Shirley Road gravel site berm and riverfront areavoted · 1:12:17 long · planning and zoning, legal
  5. ▶ 1:46:15Violations and enforcement ordersvoted · 8:53 long · legal
  6. ▶ 1:55:08Open space plan lettervoted · 7:04 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 2:02:12Online filing and 5% fee surchargecontinued · 16:00 long · fees
  8. ▶ 2:17:52Chapter 61 release at 994 Northfield Roadvoted · 18:48 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 2:36:40Certificates of compliance and minutesvoted · 5:58 long
  10. ▶ 2:42:38Agent report and Shady Point erosion ordervoted · 11:56 long · legal
  11. ▶ 2:54:34Lake levels, closing comments and adjournmentadjourned · 8:46 long

What the captions could not carry

  • The vote on ratifying the Leominster Shirley Road enforcement orders is not in the captions.
  • The vote count on the Northfield Road letter is unclear.
  • Richard birch's vote on the gravel site is garbled.

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 2:02:12Conservation permit feesWhat do conservation fees bring in against the cost of the online permitting software?

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