What was said

Conservation Commission, March 20, 2019

the recording · 2:34 long, about 18,296 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 2:12:54The Commission extended the Lake Shirley Improvement Corporation order of conditions until June 6, 2019, after members split over the association's compliance.
  2. ▶ 9:43The Commission dismissed the Hickory Hills enforcement order at this time.
  3. ▶ 57:41Orders of conditions passed for the 5 Electric Avenue addition, the Kilburn Street road and bridge deck repair, 190 Electric Avenue solar, and a house at 150 Cross Road.
  4. ▶ 20:09A negative determination passed for the 205 Sunset Lane dock stairs, with stairs in after April 1 and out by October 15.
  5. ▶ 1:04:42A site walk was set for Saturday, March 30 at 63 Prospect Street to review trees removed in the 50-foot zone.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The short Lake Shirley extension keeps the permit conditions in force while a full order is drafted, which touches lake management and shoreline rules for abutters and association members.
  • Each permit extension carries a registry recording fee, so repeated short extensions add small recurring costs to the town's conservation work.

Watch next

  • A clean copy of the draft Lake Shirley order of conditions is to be circulated for review at the April 3 meeting.
  • A Hollis Road draft plan presentation is planned for the April 17 meeting.

grantshousinglegalplanning and zoningpublic commentrecreationtown departments

Present: Richard birch (member); bought peace (member); Katy child's (member); Ken Jones (member); Todd Dwyer (vice-chair); Matt (conservation agent/administrator); Carla (member, remote). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 9:43Dismiss the Hickory Hills enforcement order at this time. — moved by a member, as heardpassed
  2. ▶ 20:09Negative determination for the 205 Sunset Lane dock stairs, stairs in after April 1 and out by October 15.passed
  3. ▶ 22:59Standard order of conditions for the addition at 5 Electric Avenue, with restoration planted before other construction.passed
  4. ▶ 30:54Order of conditions for the Kilburn Street road and bridge deck repair.passed
  5. ▶ 36:11Order of conditions for the 190 Electric Ave solar facility with on-site environmental representative and conservation wildlife mix.passed
  6. ▶ 57:41Standard order of conditions for 150 Cross Road with grading allowed in the 30-50 foot zone, then wild restoration and boulders at 50 feet.passed
  7. ▶ 59:10Continue the 51 Fire Road retaining wall hearing to April 3.passed
  8. ▶ 2:12:54Extend the Lake Shirley Improvement Corporation order of conditions until June 6, 2019.passed

And 3 procedural: approve minutes of february 20 as amended. (▶ 2:22:52); approve minutes of march 6 as amended. (▶ 2:23:57); adjourn. (▶ 2:34:21).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 10 agree, 4 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 0 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

4 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Chair name:Richard birch (member)→Richard Bursch
  • Attendee Bob Pease:bought peace (member)→Bob Pease
  • Attendee Catie Childs:Katy child's (member)→Catie Childs
  • Attendee Carl Luck:Carla (member)→Carl Luck
In one record only: 7 from the recording, 4 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Hickory Hills enforcement order dismissed: Dismiss the Hickory Hills enforcement order at this time. — passed ▶ 9:43
  • Recording only — Lake consultant survey by Labor Day: Matt to ask the lake consultant about a survey completed by Labor Day. ▶ 1:39:53
  • Recording only — Hollis Road draft plan presentation April 17: Hollis Road draft plan presentation planned for the April 17 meeting, with hard copies and landowner goal sheets mailed to members. ▶ 2:14:19
  • Recording only — Special workshop on regulation updates, fifth Wednesday in May: A special workshop on regulation updates to be considered for the fifth Wednesday in May. ▶ 2:22:08
  • Recording only — GIS mapping hours at regional planning commission: GIS mapping hours at regional planning commission: eight hours, 87 dollars an hour ▶ 2:26:42
  • Recording only — Registry recording fee $75: Registry recording fee for permit extensions: $75 ▶ 2:02:33
  • Recording only — Conservation trust funds figures: Conservation trust funds: $4,500, eleven hundred, thirteen twenty three thirty five thirty six hundred ▶ 2:30:14
  • Town’s minutes only — Pleasant Street enforcement case: “eo -101 pleasant street - update/fines enf case 2019 -6”
  • Town’s minutes only — 141 Hemlock enforcement conference closed: “the commission considered the matter closed.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Land acquisition proposal, Saliba, Northfield Road: “land acquisition proposal , saliba , northfield road ( # 994)”
  • Town’s minutes only — 150 Cross Road drive re-pitch and Kilburn stake inspection: “tom will inspect the stakes of the building foot print.”

Compared 2026-11-05. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 2:26:42GIS mapping hours at regional planning commission

    The town has a set allotment of free GIS hours per year for trail maps, with overage billed hourly.

    as heard:eight hours87 dollars an hour

  2. ▶ 2:02:33Registry recording fee for permit extensions

    Each extension costs a recording fee to the registry, which argued for a longer single extension.

    as heard:$75

  3. ▶ 2:30:14Conservation trust funds

    Small funds appear untouched for decades; members discussed whether principal could be spent and proposing uses to the trust fund commissioners.

    as heard:$4,500eleven hundredthirteen twenty three thirty five thirty six hundred

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 1:04:42Site walk set for Saturday March 30 at 63 Prospect Street to review trees removed in the 50-foot zone and amend the existing order.
  • ▶ 1:34:31Matt to circulate a clean copy of the draft Lake Shirley order of conditions for review at April 3.
  • ▶ 1:39:53Matt to ask the lake consultant about a survey completed by Labor Day.
  • ▶ 2:14:19Hollis Road draft plan presentation planned for the April 17 meeting, with hard copies and landowner goal sheets mailed to members.
  • ▶ 2:22:08A special workshop on regulation updates to be considered for the fifth Wednesday in May.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print a list, headed documents presented for consideration was:

  • DEP form 1
  • Plan by Rose Land Survey, dated 3/6/19 (205 Sunset Lane)
  • Notice of Intent and plan entitled "Revised Sheet 4 of Site Plan", final revision date March 19, 2019 (DEP 208-1154), K & E Realty Trust
  • Notice of Intent and plan for bridge construction by Christopher Environmental, final revision date March 13, 2019 (DEP 208-1152)
  • Notice of Intent and plan entitled "Site Development Plan", final revision date March 12, 2019 (DEP 208-1155), Borrego Solar Systems
  • Notice of Intent and plan by Hannigan Engineering entitled "Site Development Plan" dated 2/12/19 (DEP 208-xxxx), RCL Realty Trust II

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Notice of Intent by Nanci Bell, replacement of retaining wall at 51 Fire Road 19 (DEP 208-1150)
  • Request for determination of applicability, John Harrison, 205 Sunset Lane
  • Draft Order of Conditions (LSIC)
  • Forest Stewardship/Bird Habitat plan, second draft, 123 Hollis Road Conservation Area
  • Minutes of February 20 and March 6, 2019

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 0:44Arlington resiliency presentationpresentation, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:12:06LSIC draft order of conditionsdraft policy or bylaw, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Draft Order of Conditions (LSIC)”)
  • ▶ 45:43abutter letterletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:35:35annual reportreport, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:13:59Hollis Road draft planreport, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Forest Stewardship/Bird Habitat plan, second draft, 123 Hollis Road Conservation Area”)
  • ▶ 2:29:52treasurer's reportreport, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: DEP form 1; Plan by Rose Land Survey, dated 3/6/19 (205 Sunset Lane); Notice of Intent and plan entitled "Revised Sheet 4 of Site Plan", final revision date March 19, 2019 (DEP 208-1154), K & E Realty Trust; Notice of Intent and plan for bridge construction by Christopher Environmental, final revision date March 13, 2019 (DEP 208-1152); Notice of Intent and plan entitled "Site Development Plan", final revision date March 12, 2019 (DEP 208-1155), Borrego Solar Systems; Notice of Intent and plan by Hannigan Engineering entitled "Site Development Plan" dated 2/12/19 (DEP 208-xxxx), RCL Realty Trust II.

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 4:34Resident noted the MACC meeting on April 12 and stormwater/lake and pond management information. — a speaker, resident
  2. ▶ 1:45:35President of the Lake Shirley Improvement Corporation objected to being called non-compliant and said the group works diligently with Matt and consultants. — Johanna blooder, as heard, president of the Lake Shirley Improvement Corporation

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Roll call and announcements, resiliency bylawsinformational · 5:16 long · planning and zoning, public comment
  2. ▶ 5:16141 Hemlock enforcement (Hickory Hills Lake muck removal)voted: enforcement dismissed · 4:54 long · legal
  3. ▶ 10:10205 Sunset Lane dock and stairsvoted · 10:41 long · planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 20:515 Electric Avenue additionvoted · 5:43 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 26:34181 Kilburn Street bridgevoted · 6:23 long · planning and zoning
  6. ▶ 32:57190 Electric Avenue solarvoted · 4:41 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 37:38150 Cross Road housevoted · 21:32 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 59:10Continuance, enforcement updates (63 Prospect, others)informational · 12:15 long · legal
  9. ▶ 1:11:25Lake Shirley order of conditions and extensionvoted: extension to June 6 · 1:02:13 long · legal, recreation
  10. ▶ 2:13:38Hollis Road conservation area and regulations updatesinformational; deferred · 8:53 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 2:22:31Minutesvoted · 2:26 long
  12. ▶ 2:24:57Reports: trails GIS hours, ADA grant, trust fundsinformational · 9:24 long · grants, capital
  13. ▶ 2:34:21Adjournmentvoted · 0:29 long

What the captions could not carry

  • Roll call on several votes partly garbled; Carla's vote wording unclear at times.
  • Stretch around 2258-2298 is music/garbled.
  • Exact trust fund figures are unreliable.

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 1:12:06Lake management costsWhat do Lake Shirley management and surveys cost and who pays?
  • ▶ 2:29:52Conservation trust fundsWhat do the conservation trust funds hold and what can they be spent on?

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