What was said

Conservation Commission, September 18, 2019

the recording · 3:34 long, about 25,011 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 2:34:30The Commission continued the Lake Shirley herbicide and drawdown notice of intent and set a workshop on its conditions for the following Wednesday at 7:00.
  2. ▶ 3:13:37A recommendation that the Selectmen fully support the Saliba land acquisition warrant article was moved; the vote result was not audible in the captions.
  3. ▶ 3:26:12The Commission moved to issue an enforcement order at 141 Vo Street for a recharge trench and to deny an extension for 101 Pleasant Street; results were not audible.
  4. ▶ 2:25:40The consultant was to draft clarifications on data collection and drawdown before the next hearing.
  5. ▶ 17:50The 915 Northfield Road notice of intent was continued to October 2, and the DPW culverts hearing was moved to continue to the same date.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The Lake Shirley treatment plan and the Saliba land purchase both involve town spending and conditions on a public water body, and each is headed to further public steps where residents can weigh in.
  • Most vote outcomes in these minutes were not audible, so the recorded motions show what was moved, not necessarily what was adopted.

Watch next

  • October 2, 2019: continued hearings, including Lake Shirley, 915 Northfield Road and DPW culverts, are set to resume.
  • The Lake Shirley workshop on conditions, set for the Wednesday after this meeting at 7:00 and posted as an agenda item.

executive sessiongrantslegalplanning and zoningrecreationtown meetingwarrant article

Present: Richard burr (member); Jackrabbit (member); Katie child's (member); Matt (conservation administrator); Joanna (administrative staff); Wendy Gendron (presenter). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 17:50Continue 915 Northfield Road notice of intent to October 2passed
  2. ▶ 19:15Continue DPW culverts notice of intent to October 2not audible
  3. ▶ 32:14Approve 131-133 culvert with special conditions on wetland and updated remediation plannot audible
  4. ▶ 48:24Negative determination for 127 Pleasant Street with erosion-control conditionnot audible
  5. ▶ 49:27Lift enforcement order at 127 Pleasant Streetnot audible
  6. ▶ 2:34:30Continue Lake Shirley notice of intent and meet next Wednesday at 7:00not audible
  7. ▶ 2:48:54Approve field change for dock at 17 Way Streetnot audible
  8. ▶ 2:54:52Respond to Selectmen supporting APR purchasenot audible
  9. ▶ 3:13:37Recommend full support of Saliba acquisition warrant article to Selectmennot audible
  10. ▶ 3:26:12Issue enforcement order at 141 Vo Street for recharge trenchnot audible
  11. ▶ 3:28:37Deny extension request for 101 Pleasant Streetnot audible

And 3 procedural: enter executive session (▶ 0:40); approve minutes of september 4 (▶ 3:29:00); adjourn (▶ 3:33:56).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 8 agree, 3 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 6 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsContinue DPW culverts NOI to October 2▶ 19:15

    recording Continue DPW culverts notice of intent to October 2 — not audible

    town’s minutes “the hearing was continued until the next meeting by a motion of cc and a second by td with a unanimous vote until the 10/2/19”

    Same continuance, but our record has no outcome; the official minutes show it passed unanimously. Check the recording to confirm the vote.

  2. differs131-133 culvert / Powell Stone and Gravel approval▶ 32:14

    recording Approve 131-133 culvert with special conditions on wetland and updated remediation plan — not audible

    town’s minutes “td made a motion to approved tan order of conditions subject to the change agreed on the plan. cc seconded and the commission unanimously approved.”

    Our description (special wetland conditions, updated remediation plan) differs from the official 'subject to the change agreed on the plan'. Check the recording for the conditions and for the item being a culvert versus an Order of Conditions.

  3. differsLake Shirley continuance and workshop date▶ 2:34:30

    recording Continue Lake Shirley notice of intent and meet next Wednesday at 7:00 — not audible

    town’s minutes “td motioned for a workshop meeting at the ritter building on 9/25 at 7 pm”

    Our 'next Wednesday' is probably 9/25, since the meeting was on Wed 9/18. The official minutes name the Ritter Building and a hearing reconvened 10/2. Check the recording for the date.

  4. differsDock field change location▶ 2:48:54

    recording Approve field change for dock at 17 Way Street — not audible

    town’s minutes “td motioned to approve a s a field change. cc seconded and the commission approved unanimously.”

    Same field-change vote, but the address differs: ours says 17 Way Street, the official minutes say 17 Ruth Street (Swenson). This is probably a caption error, but check the address.

  5. differsSaliba acquisition warrant article support▶ 3:13:37

    recording Recommend full support of Saliba acquisition warrant article to Selectmen — not audible

    town’s minutes —

    Our minutes record this vote and the official minutes do not mention Saliba or a vote on it. Check the recording and the Selectmen correspondence.

  6. differsEnforcement order at 141 Vo Street for recharge trench▶ 3:26:12

    recording Issue enforcement order at 141 Vo Street for recharge trench — not audible

    town’s minutes “removed by a motion of kj and a second by cc with a unanimous vote to approve”

    Our minutes have an enforcement order being issued. The official minutes have no such order and instead record removal of the Shady Point beach erosion order. Check the recording for what was voted.

3 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Attendee: Richard Bursch:Richard burr (member)→Richard Bursch
  • Attendee: Jack Rabbitt:Jackrabbit (member)→Jack Rabbitt
  • Attendee: Catie Childs:Katie child's (member)→Catie Childs
In one record only: 3 from the recording, 8 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Saliba land purchase figures: Saliba land purchase: seven hundred and seventy five thousand dollars, $500,000, seven hundred and eighty two thousand dollars, eight hundred and eighty-seven dollars per acre ▶ 3:05:48
  • Recording only — Lake Shirley treatment spending: Lake Shirley treatment spending: 70 grand ▶ 3:31:28
  • Recording only — Consultant drafting clarifications: Consultant to draft clarifications on data collection and drawdown before the next hearing ▶ 2:25:40
  • Town’s minutes only — Continuances of Evans, Greco Alonso, Farrow and Delisle hearings: “no public comment. the hearing was continued until the next meeting by a motion of cc and a second by td with a unanimous vote”
  • Town’s minutes only — Release of 250 Howard Street from Chapter 61: “after consideration the commission voted to release the lot form consideration by a motion of td and a second by kj.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Certificate of compliance, 16 Sandy Cove Road: “the certificate was approved by a motion of kj and a second by cc.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Sunset Stables ride-through permission: “sunset stables requested annual ride through permission for robbs hill. approved by motion of cc and a second by jr.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Vegetation removal regulation revision: “made a one sentence adjustment allowing for exclusion of exiting lawn and landscape from the definition”
  • Town’s minutes only — 842R Chase Road warrant article wording: “the commission had bp work with heather lemieux for a new wording to renew the approval by the town at town meeting”
  • Town’s minutes only — Extension permit 208-1064 withdrawn: “extension permit - 208-1064 lsic/town of lunenburg lake shirley withdrawn”
  • Town’s minutes only — Attendees Todd Dwyer and Kenneth Jones: “in attendance: rb, td, jr, cc- kj came in at 8:10 pm”

Compared 2026-11-04. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 3:05:48Saliba land purchase

    Warrant article read gives purchase price and grant reimbursement; net cost to town stated.

    as heard:seven hundred and seventy five thousand dollars$500,000seven hundred and eighty two thousand dollarseight hundred and eighty-seven dollars per acre

  2. ▶ 3:31:28Lake Shirley treatment spending

    A member said about this much was spent last year combating weeds.

    as heard:70 grand

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 2:31:31Hold a workshop next Wednesday at 7:00 on Lake Shirley conditions, posted as an agenda item
  • ▶ 2:25:40Consultant to draft clarifications on data collection and drawdown before the next hearing
  • ▶ 2:46:42Dock at 17 Way Street handled as a field change

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Notice of Intent, 915 Northfield Road (John Harrison), single family dwelling and grading
  • Notice of Intent, DPW replacement of culverts at Sunset Lane and Northfield Road
  • Notice of Intent, retaining wall within flood plain, 4 Sunset Lane (Roberts G. Evans)
  • Notice of Intent, grading and culvert, 131-133 Leominster-Shirley Road (Powell Stone and Gravel)
  • Supplemental information and revised river front calculations (Powell Stone and Gravel)
  • Order of Conditions, 131-133 Leominster-Shirley Road, subject to change on plan
  • Notice of Intent, riverfront and buffer zone remediation, 260 Fallualah Road and 100 Summer Street (Greco Alonso)
  • Request for determination, 31 Round Road (Shawn Farrow), boat ramp, sand, retaining wall, patio
  • Request for determination, 127 Pleasant Street (Paula Halbedel), driveway repair
  • Enforcement order, 127 Pleasant Street (previous order lifted)
  • Request for determination, 235 Island Road (Susanne Delisle), tree removal, impervious surface, pool
  • Notice of Intent, lake management program for Lake Shirley (Town of Lunenburg and Lake Shirley Improvement Corp)
  • LSIC annual report (Lake Shirley)
  • Dock plan, 17 Ruth Street (Joel Swenson), NON-ENF CASE 2019-14, approved as field change
  • Warrant article, 842R Chase Road (renewal of approval by town at town meeting)
  • Chapter 61 Release Request, 250 Howard Street
  • Minutes of 9/4 meeting

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 23:59memo from ecotechmemo, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 54:38response statement on concernsletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 3:03:19Saliba warrant articlewarrant article, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Warrant article, 842R Chase Road (renewal of approval by town at town meeting)”)

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Announcements and entering executive sessionvoted · 1:45 long · executive session
  2. ▶ 17:28Continued hearings: Northfield Road, DPW culverts, Evans, Alfonzocontinued · 4:37 long · planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 22:56Culvert at 131-133 hearingvoted with conditions · 9:38 long · planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 33:06Requests for determination: lakefront, 127 Pleasant, 235 Island Roadvoted/continued · 18:04 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 51:10Lake Shirley management notice of intentcontinued; workshop set · 1:43:40 long · planning and zoning, public safety
  6. ▶ 2:41:21Enforcement matters at 17 Way Street and othervoted · 8:35 long · legal
  7. ▶ 2:49:56Chair apology, APR consideration, warrant article, regulations reviewvoted · 7:44 long · legal, warrant article
  8. ▶ 3:00:53Saliba land acquisitionvoted support · 13:24 long · warrant article, grants, recreation
  9. ▶ 3:14:38Certificate of compliance, 141 Vo Street, extension denial, minutesvoted · 14:22 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 3:29:00Committee updates and adjournmentadjourned · 5:16 long

What the captions could not carry

  • Vote counts are not in the captions
  • Executive session content 105-947 not recorded
  • Many hearing details in garbled stretches

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 3:05:48Saliba land purchase costWhat will the Saliba land purchase cost the town after grants?

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