What was said

Conservation Commission, October 2, 2019

the recording · 3:55 long, about 28,910 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 3:44:19The Commission continued the Lake Shirley Improvement Corporation's management program hearing, which took most of the meeting, by roll call with all ayes heard.
  2. ▶ 3:41:06Members worked through draft special conditions on monitoring, drawdown safety, outreach and peer review. A clean copy is to go to members and the applicant before the next meeting.
  3. ▶ 2:11:31The agent will ask DEP for a written determination on whether the lake drawdown can run past the deadline for safety reasons.
  4. ▶ 26:25The Commission approved a septic Notice of Intent on Howard Street, with the plan corrected, and issued negative determinations on several other requests.
  5. ▶ 7:40The Commission endorsed an Eagle Scout footbridge at the pollinator habitat and granted a partial certificate of compliance for 101 Pleasant Street.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The conditions set for the Lake Shirley program decide what monitoring, outreach and outside review the lake work must include, and what oversight costs the lake's users and the town may carry.
  • Several wetland filings, including the culvert and retaining wall hearings, remain open, so decisions on work near water and wetlands in town are still pending.

Watch next

  • The continued Lake Shirley hearing. The minutes give the date as October 15 in the vote and October 16 in the summary, so confirm it against the posted agenda.
  • The written DEP answer on the drawdown deadline and the clean copy of the draft special conditions.

grantslegalplanning and zoningpolicypublic commentrecreation

Present: Richard Burke (chair (remote)); Todd wire (member); Lottie's (member); Katie child's (member); Ken Jones (member); Carlock (member); Jeff Viviano (associate member); Matt (conservation agent/administrator). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 7:40Endorse the Eagle Scout footbridge project at the pollinator habitatpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  2. ▶ 13:41Negative determination on the request for determination at 240 Prospect Streetpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  3. ▶ 19:40Negative determination for the detached garage at Townsend Road, with erosion protection during constructionpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  4. ▶ 26:25Approve the Notice of Intent for the septic upgrade at 257 Howard Street, with the plan corrected to show the 30-foot no-disturbance line and erosion protection movedpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  5. ▶ 32:20Continue the 915 Northfield Road hearing to October 16 (agreed by consensus)agreed without a recorded vote
  6. ▶ 35:39Continue the DPW culvert hearing to October 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  7. ▶ 49:47Continue the 51 Fire Road retaining wall hearing to October 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  8. ▶ 50:44Continue the Robert Evans retaining wall hearing at Sunset Lane to October 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  9. ▶ 51:26Continue the 260 Tallulah Road remediation hearing to October 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  10. ▶ 54:05Negative determination for the boat ramp repair and sand addition, with erosion protectionpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  11. ▶ 1:11:17Continue the 35 Mile Road pool and deck request to October 15 (site walk set first)passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  12. ▶ 1:21:30Partial certificate of compliance for 101 Pleasant Street, with vegetation establishment the remaining conditionpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  13. ▶ 3:44:19Continue the Lake Shirley management program hearing to October 15passed (roll call, all ayes heard)

And 1 procedural: adjourn (▶ 3:54:30).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 6 agree, 6 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 3 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a partial record.

  1. differsBoat ramp negative determination: abstention▶ 54:05

    recording Negative determination for the boat ramp repair and sand addition, with erosion protection — passed (roll call, all ayes heard)

    town’s minutes “cc seconded and the commission approved the motion by unanimous roll call in which rb abstains.”

    Official records the chair (RB) abstaining and wattles on the ramp; ours shows all ayes. Check the recording for the chair's roll call response and the condition.

  2. differsLake Shirley next date▶ 3:44:19

    recording Continue the Lake Shirley management program hearing to October 15

    town’s minutes “the official review is scheduled for 10.16”

    Official 10/16 review may relate to the revised regulations rather than Lake Shirley, but dates differ; check the recording and agenda.

  3. differsAttendees: members▶ 0:00

    recording Lottie's (member)

    town’s minutes “meeting called to order by acting chairman dwyer at 7 pm with a all members present”

    Ours lists 'Lottie's' (possibly Bob Pease or Jack Rabbitt misheard) and omits Bob Pease and Jack Rabbitt; verify roster.

6 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Chair name:Richard Burke (chair (remote))→Richard Bursch▶ 0:00
  • Member Todd Dwyer:Todd wire (member)→Todd Dwyer▶ 0:00
  • Member Catie Childs:Katie child's (member)→Catie Childs▶ 0:00
  • Member Carl Luck:Carlock (member)→Carl Luck▶ 0:00
  • Associate member Vivano:Jeff Viviano (associate member)→Jeffrey Vivano▶ 0:00
  • Conservation administrator:Matt (conservation agent/administrator)→Matthew S. Marro▶ 0:00
In one record only: 6 from the recording, 2 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Continuances to Oct 16 (915 Northfield, DPW culvert, 51 Fire Rd, Evans Sunset Lane, 260 Tallulah): Continue the DPW culvert hearing to October 16 — passed (roll call, all ayes heard) ▶ 35:39
  • Recording only — 35 Mile Road pool continuance and site walk: Continue the 35 Mile Road pool and deck request to October 15 (site walk set first) — passed (roll call, all ayes heard) ▶ 1:11:17
  • Recording only — Lake Shirley management hearing continuance: Continue the Lake Shirley management program hearing to October 15 — passed (roll call, all ayes heard) ▶ 3:44:19
  • Recording only — Lake Shirley sampling, DEP determination, clean copy of conditions: Lake Shirley clarity sampling: the biologist chooses up to four additional Secchi locations when clarity drops below the trigger, and the south and middle basin points may be dropped. ▶ 1:59:20
  • Recording only — Nutrient testing figure: Nutrient testing cost: fifteen fifty lakhs sixty watts ▶ 2:53:01
  • Recording only — Request for determination for scout footbridge: Commission to file a request for determination on behalf of the scout footbridge project, to document it. ▶ 4:51
  • Town’s minutes only — Grants noted (trails grant, Saliba land acquisition): “was officially awarded a grant from the commonwealth.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Mark Bursch hearing, RB recusal, site examination: “( note rb recused) mark bursch appeared before the commission.”

Compared 2026-11-04. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 3:53:09Trails and accessibility grants

    The town was awarded both grants, which will help at Town Meeting. The earlier announcement said the trails grant was approved, with paperwork to complete.

  2. ▶ 2:14:04Grant match for Lake Shirley watershed work

    A speaker noted that grants require a financial match, and doubted the town would commit money.

  3. ▶ 2:53:01Nutrient testing cost

    The contractor was asked about the cost of adding lab tests to the pretreatment report.

    as heard:fifteen fifty lakhs sixty watts

  4. ▶ 3:34:06Cost of Lake Shirley management

    A lake resident complained of the money and volunteer time spent, and said more oversight adds cost.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 4:51Commission to file a request for determination on behalf of the scout footbridge project, to document it.
  • ▶ 33:43915 Northfield Road hearing continued to October 16 pending the DEP number.
  • ▶ 1:06:35Site walk for the 35 Mile Road pool project set for the Saturday before the next meeting (the 12th), 9 to 11 a.m.
  • ▶ 1:59:20Lake Shirley clarity sampling: the biologist chooses up to four additional Secchi locations when clarity drops below the trigger, and the south and middle basin points may be dropped.
  • ▶ 2:11:31The agent will seek a written DEP determination on whether the drawdown can run past the deadline for safety reasons.
  • ▶ 3:41:06A clean copy of the draft special conditions will be circulated by the agent to members and the applicant before the next meeting.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Draft Order of Conditions (Lake Shirley lake management program)
  • 842R Chase Road warrant article, proposed wording
  • Revised regulations and proposed changes (draft)
  • Plans presented by Justin Boussoum for the eagle scout bridge crossing

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 3:27pictures of the bridge locationplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 20:50septic plan PDF on the cloudplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 39:31rendering of the retaining wallplan or drawing· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:13:46as-built plan for 101 Pleasant Streetplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:23:40updated project description documentapplication or permit, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:26:31draft special conditionsdraft policy or bylaw, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:28:36redline proposaldraft policy or bylaw, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 3:46:54regulation revision on vegetation removal and replacementdraft policy or bylaw· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Revised regulations and proposed changes (draft)”)

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 2:20Proposed Eagle project: a footbridge across a ditch at the pollinator habitat to connect existing trails. — Justin Bassam, as heard, Boy Scout Troop 1728 member
  2. ▶ 2:16:12Spoke about town inaction and Lake Shirley outreach (name and address were requested for the record). — Steve, as heard, resident
  3. ▶ 2:24:22Said the LSIC annual meeting drew over a hundred people and defended the group's education efforts. — Tammy, as heard, Lake Shirley resident
  4. ▶ 3:15:45Commented on the peer-review wording in the order conditions. — Jessica Swenson, as heard, resident of 1700 Street

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:14Open meeting notice, attendance, announcements (trails grant approved)informational · 2:06 long
  2. ▶ 2:20Eagle Scout footbridge at pollinator habitatvoted, endorsed · 6:40 long · recreation, public comment
  3. ▶ 9:01RDAs at 240 Prospect Street and Townsend Road garagevoted, negative determinations · 10:59 long · planning and zoning, legal
  4. ▶ 20:50257 Howard Street septic Notice of Intentvoted, approved with conditions · 7:30 long · planning and zoning, legal
  5. ▶ 28:36915 Northfield Road single-family home NOIcontinued to October 16 · 5:34 long · planning and zoning
  6. ▶ 35:18Continued hearings: DPW culverts, 51 Fire Road wall, Sunset Lane wall, Tallulah Roadcontinued to October 16 · 16:32 long · roads and dpw, planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 51:47Boat ramp repair RDAvoted, negative determination · 4:47 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 56:3435 Mile Road pool, porch and deck RDAcontinued to October 15 with site walk · 15:36 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 1:12:26101 Pleasant Street certificate of compliancevoted, partial certificate · 10:04 long · planning and zoning, legal
  10. ▶ 1:22:56Lake Shirley Improvement Corporation management program NOI and draft special conditionscontinued to October 15 · 2:22:04 long · planning and zoning, legal, policy
  11. ▶ 3:45:00Violations, regulation revisions on vegetation removal, old business, grants, adjournmentinformational, then adjourned · 10:00 long · policy, grants, recreation

What the captions could not carry

  • Captions garbled many speaker identities and the details of several applicants' names.
  • Whether the 915 Northfield Road continuation was formally voted is unclear.
  • Continuation dates are inconsistent in the captions (October 15 versus 16).
  • Section numbers and exact distances in several hearings are garbled.
  • The second grants discussion near 13990 is unclear about which grants and amounts.

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 1:22:56Lake Shirley weed controlWhat does Lake Shirley weed and algae control involve, who pays, and what conditions apply?

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