What was said

Conservation Commission, October 7, 2020

the recording · 3:28 long, about 23,227 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 51:05The Commission voted 5-0 to order Hickory Hills Landowners to remove gravel from the boat ramp within 30 days.
  2. ▶ 2:54:27A motion to approve the 238 Fire Road 16 application as submitted failed 2-3, so the house, driveway and crossing were neither approved nor denied.
  3. ▶ 2:05:13The Commission approved or issued determinations on several filings, including a garage on Flynn Road, a Bright Farms greenhouse and a Mopus Road driveway.
  4. ▶ 1:20:34Hearings on 200 Island Road and 1672 Mass Ave were continued, and the Lake Shirley drawdown date request was continued two weeks.
  5. ▶ 3:23:16The Commission declined the Chapter 61A right of first refusal at 360 Flat Hill Road, and members said the price was unknown and likely beyond its budget.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The boat ramp order bears on public access to Hickory Hills' ramp when the water is drawn down.
  • The 238 Fire Road 16 project is still undecided, so the application will have to come back to the Commission.
  • Passing on the Flat Hill Road land means that parcel is not likely to be bought for conservation.

Watch next

  • 200 Island Road hearing continued to October 21, with a revised plan reducing the driveway in the 50-foot zone and showing the limit of work.
  • 1672 Mass Ave hearing continued to November 4.

legalpersonnelplanning and zoningpublic comment

Present: Bob Pease (chair); Rich Burch (member); Carl Luck (member); Jack Rabbit (member); Todd Dwyer (member, remote); Matt Morrow (conservation agent, remote). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 51:05Enforcement order directing Hickory Hills Landowners to remove gravel at boat ramp within 30 days — moved by Jack Rabbit, as heardpassed 5-0
  2. ▶ 57:50Approve notice of intent and issue standard order of conditions, 130 Flynn Road garagepassed 5-0
  3. ▶ 1:20:34Continue 200 Island Road hearing to October 21passed 5-0
  4. ▶ 1:33:52Positive determination for shed at 181 Peninsula Drivepassed 5-0
  5. ▶ 1:42:34Negative determination for Keolis vegetation managementpassed 5-0
  6. ▶ 1:55:54Continue 1672 Mass Ave hearing to November 4passed 5-0
  7. ▶ 2:05:13Approve Bright Farms 361 Mass Ave with condition that non-surviving plants be replaced in kindpassed 5-0
  8. ▶ 2:13:10Positive determination on RDA for vegetation restoration at 99 Rue Streetpassed 5-0
  9. ▶ 2:13:52Positive determination on RDA for dock and stairs at 99 Rue Streetpassed 5-0
  10. ▶ 2:18:09Negative determination for dock at 362 Townsend Harbor Roadpassed 5-0
  11. ▶ 2:54:27Approve 238 Fire Road 16 application as submitted — moved by Rich Burch, as heardfailed 2-3 (lack of action)
  12. ▶ 3:10:06Approve 422 Mopus Road plan and issue standard order of conditionspassed 4-0
  13. ▶ 3:23:16Not interested in exercising Chapter 61A right of first refusal at 360 Flat Hill Roadpassed 4-0
  14. ▶ 3:23:58Reaffirm vote for warrant article moving 111 Mopus Road rear and 970 New West Townsend Road rear to conservation commission care and controlpassed 4-0

And 1 procedural: adjourn (▶ 3:26:42).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 10 agree, 5 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 3 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a partial record.

  1. differs238 Fire Road 16 motion to approve as submitted▶ 2:54:27

    recording Approve 238 Fire Road 16 application as submitted — failed 2-3 (lack of action)

    town’s minutes “rb made a motion to approve the application as submitted td seconded.”

    Both say it failed, but the official minutes give no tally. Check the recording for the 2-3 count and whether the motion failed or was left undecided.

  2. differs360 Flat Hill Road Chapter 61A▶ 3:23:16

    recording Not interested in exercising Chapter 61A right of first refusal at 360 Flat Hill Road — passed 4-0

    town’s minutes “rb moved to allow the sale to proceed. td seconded and the commission voted unanimously.”

    Wording differs, but the substance is the same: the Commission does not exercise its right. Check the motion wording and the street name spelling (Flat/Flatt).

  3. differsAttendance: staff and absent members

    recording Todd Dwyer (member); Matt Morrow (conservation agent); Rich Burch, Carl Luck, Jack Rabbit, Bob Pease present

    town’s minutes “meeting was called to order with bp presiding and all member present except kj and cc. mm, staff absent due to power outage.”

    Our minutes list the conservation agent (Matt Morrow) as attending, but the official minutes say staff was absent due to a power outage. Check the recording for who attended and whether staff took part. Our vote counts of 5-0 also depend on who was present.

5 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • 99 Rue/Ruth Street vegetation restoration positive determination:Positive determination on RDA for vegetation restoration at 99 Rue Street — passed 5-0→99 Ruth Street▶ 2:13:10
  • 99 Rue/Ruth Street dock and stairs positive determination:Positive determination on RDA for dock and stairs at 99 Rue Street — passed 5-0→99 Ruth Street▶ 2:13:52
  • 422 Mopus/Mulpus Road approval:Approve 422 Mopus Road plan and issue standard order of conditions — passed 4-0→422 Mulpus Road▶ 3:10:06
  • Member name Jack Rabbit:Jack Rabbit (member)→Jack Rabbitt
  • Member name Rich Burch:Rich Burch (member)→Richard Bursch
In one record only: 3 from the recording, 4 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — 360 Flat Hill Road price: three thousand dollars an acre, seventy thousand dollars ▶ 3:22:54
  • Recording only — Lake Shirley drawdown extension request: Lake Shirley (LSIC) request to extend drawdown date to December 31 continued two weeks. ▶ 29:33
  • Recording only — Selectmen to appoint Todd Dwyer's replacement: Chair said Selectmen expected to appoint Todd Dwyer's replacement the following Tuesday. ▶ 38:29
  • Town’s minutes only — 183 Island Road deed restriction: “it was agreed by the commission and applicant to change no "grading" to no "alteration" in the restriction”
  • Town’s minutes only — Hickory Hills: wait for John Fortune email: “bp noted that we would wait for the email before taking the issue up again.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Arnstein applicant directed to find alternative location: “the chairman instructed the applicant to work with the conservation administrator on a potential location.”
  • Town’s minutes only — LaPierre continuance if plans not ready: “it was agreed that if it was not ready, he would request a continuance.”

Compared 2026-11-03. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 3:22:54360 Flat Hill Road price

    Members said the price was unknown and likely beyond the commission's budget.

    as heard:three thousand dollars an acreseventy thousand dollars

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 29:33Lake Shirley (LSIC) request to extend drawdown date to December 31 continued two weeks.
  • ▶ 38:29Chair said Selectmen expected to appoint Todd Dwyer's replacement the following Tuesday.
  • ▶ 1:15:25200 Island Road applicant asked for a revised plan reducing driveway in the 50-foot zone and showing limit of work.
  • ▶ 2:49:41238 Fire Road 16 left with no approval or denial.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Email from John Fortune (Hickory Hills Lake drawdown request)
  • GEIR (original drawdown date)
  • Lake management plan (Hickory Hills Lake Association)
  • Text message from MM (Keolis recommendation)
  • Communication from the Keolis applicant
  • Historical ortho photos (181 Peninsula Drive)
  • Picture of pre-existing shed (181 Peninsula Drive, presented by applicant)
  • Updated mitigation documents (Bright Farm)
  • Remediation plan (99 Ruth Street)
  • Talent bank application (Jeff Viviano)
  • Submitted town warrant articles (stewardship transfer)

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 15:45signed deed restrictioncontract or agreement, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 44:22email from John Fortuneletter or email· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Email from John Fortune (Hickory Hills Lake drawdown request)”)
  • ▶ 52:32PowerPoint for 130 Flynn Roadpresentation, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:20:56revised plans for 238 Fire Road 16plan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 3:18:05open space planplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 9:04Boat ramp unusable at drawdown; asked for an emergency order to remove gravel hump. — John Fortune, as heard, Hickory Hills Landowners representative

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:36Technical setup, opening statement, roll callinformational · 7:24 long
  2. ▶ 9:04Hickory Hills boat ramp gravel removal ordervoted · 42:23 long · public comment, legal
  3. ▶ 15:22183 Island Road deed restrictioninformational · 3:40 long · legal
  4. ▶ 19:02Lake Shirley drawdown date changecontinued · 10:31 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 29:33Todd Dwyer farewell and associate member Jeff Vivianoinformational · 14:49 long · personnel
  6. ▶ 51:27130 Flynn Road garagevoted · 6:44 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 58:11200 Island Road rebuildcontinued · 23:05 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 1:21:16181 Peninsula Drive shedvoted · 14:39 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 1:36:47Keolis vegetation managementvoted · 6:53 long · legal
  10. ▶ 1:44:021672 Mass Avecontinued · 12:13 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 1:56:35Bright Farms 361 Mass Ave greenhousevoted · 10:21 long · economic development, planning and zoning
  12. ▶ 2:10:2199 Rue Street and 362 Townsend Harbor Roadvoted · 8:31 long · planning and zoning
  13. ▶ 2:18:52238 Fire Road 16 house, driveway and crossingvoted, failed, lack of action · 38:02 long · planning and zoning, legal
  14. ▶ 2:57:14422 Mopus Road drivewayvoted · 13:33 long · planning and zoning
  15. ▶ 3:10:47360 Flat Hill Road Chapter 61Avoted · 13:11 long · planning and zoning
  16. ▶ 3:23:58Warrant article reaffirmation and adjournmentvoted · 4:51 long · town meeting, warrant article

What the captions could not carry

  • Whether the Hickory Hills motion was seconded is unclear in the captions; the roll call outcome shown.
  • Rich Burch's vote on some roll calls is garbled.
  • Carl Luck's vote at the 12196 and 12402 roll calls is unclear.

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