What was said

Conservation Commission, October 21, 2020

the recording · 4:08 long, about 29,154 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 35:03The commission voted 5-0 to advertise a public forestry site walk for Saturday, November 14, before any cutting plan is commissioned.
  2. ▶ 50:03It scheduled a special meeting for next Wednesday at 7 pm on the Lake Shirley drawdown, which had been left off the agenda.
  3. ▶ 1:14:45It approved the 1370 Mass Ave plan with a shed waiver 4-2 and a negative determination for 329 Sunset Lane 4-2; other hearings were approved or continued to November 4.
  4. ▶ 3:21:43It voted to send two town counsel letters on the open meeting law complaint.
  5. ▶ 3:34:22Counsel advice was discussed: a majority of members present can pass a motion, and a failed approval motion should be followed by a motion to deny with reasons.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Forest management on town conservation land, and the timber income that helps match trail and accessibility grants, will be shaped by the public site walk, so residents can weigh in before a cutting plan is commissioned.
  • The Lake Shirley drawdown and the many waterfront and wetland projects decided or continued here affect shoreline work and lake use in town, and the open meeting law complaint concerns how the commission handles public notice.

Watch next

  • Special meeting on the Lake Shirley drawdown, next Wednesday at 7 pm.
  • November 4 meeting for continued hearings, and the November 14 forestry site walk at 9 am.

grantslegalpersonnelplanning and zoningpolicypublic comment

Present: Bob (chair); Ken Jones (member); Rich Burch (member); Katie Childs (member); Jack Rabbit (member); Jeff Viviano (member); Mike Larouche (associate member); Matt Marrow (conservation administrator); Gary Grip (presenter (forester)); Carl Luck (member (absent)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 10:05Approve field change at 15 Cliff View Terrace for deck footingspassed
  2. ▶ 35:03Advertise a public meeting and site walk for forestry on November 14 at Hollis Road and the Raino propertypassed 5-0
  3. ▶ 50:03Schedule a special meeting next Wednesday at 7 pm for the Lake Shirley drawdownpassed
  4. ▶ 56:19Approve field change for propane tank at 90 Hemlock Drivepassed
  5. ▶ 1:14:45Approve 1370 Mass Ave plan as presented, granting the waiver for the shedpassed 4-2
  6. ▶ 1:19:07Negative determination for 72 Peninsula Drivepassed
  7. ▶ 1:23:08Continue 60 South Row Road hearing to November 4passed
  8. ▶ 1:28:01Negative determination for 189 Hemlock Drivepassed
  9. ▶ 1:39:35Continue 29 Fire Road 10 hearing to November 4passed
  10. ▶ 1:56:43Negative determination for 329 Sunset Lane docks, wall and limited sandpassed 4-2
  11. ▶ 2:05:23Continue 4 Town Harbor Road notice of intent to November 4passed
  12. ▶ 2:41:24Continue 232 Burge Street hearing to November 4passed
  13. ▶ 2:47:16Approve 55 White Street septic notice of intent as presentedpassed
  14. ▶ 2:55:49Approve 200 Island Road as revisedpassed
  15. ▶ 2:57:11Continue 1672 Mass Avenue to November 4passed
  16. ▶ 3:05:12Issue partial certificate of compliance for 15 The Lane lot threepassed with abstentions
  17. ▶ 3:11:52Close out the enforcement order at 32 Brookviewpassed
  18. ▶ 3:21:43Approve sending two letters by Town Counsel on the open meeting law complaintpassed
  19. ▶ 3:24:09Issue certificate of compliance for 13 East Streetpassed with one abstention
  20. ▶ 3:29:23Ratify emergency certificates on condition RDAs are filed for wall and deck at 352 Town Harbor Roadpassed

And 5 procedural: approve minutes of august 19, 2020 (▶ 57:31); approve minutes of september 2, 2020 (▶ 58:13); approve minutes of september 16, 2020 (▶ 58:33); approve minutes of september 23, 2020 (▶ 59:15); adjourn (▶ 4:07:42).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 1 agree, 5 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 3 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a partial record.

  1. differs1672 Mass Ave hearing continuation▶ 2:57:11

    recording Continue 1672 Mass Avenue to November 4 — passed

    town’s minutes “rb made a motion to continue. cl seconded and the commission voted unanimously by roll call vote to app”

    Both continue 1672 Mass Ave but the official minutes pair it with the Oct 7 meeting cycle and require revised plans and a survey, while ours says Nov 4. Check whether these are two different meetings or one date is wrong.

  2. differsCarl Luck attendance▶ 0:00

    recording Carl Luck (member (absent))

    town’s minutes “meeting was called to order at 7 by kj acting as chairman with cc, cl, td, and rb in attendance”

    Ours lists Carl Luck as absent, while the official minutes list CL in attendance and moving and seconding motions. Check the roll call against the recording and the correct meeting date.

  3. differsWho chaired the meeting▶ 0:00

    recording Bob (chair)

    town’s minutes “meeting was called to order at 7 by kj acting as chairman with cc, cl, td, and rb in attendance”

    Ours has Bob chairing, while the official minutes have Kenneth Jones acting as chairman and BP only noted as able to attend. Check who presided on the recording and whether the date is the same.

5 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Katie/Catie Childs:Katie Childs (member)→Catie Childs▶ 0:00
  • Rich Burch:Rich Burch (member)→Richard Bursch▶ 0:00
  • Jack Rabbit:Jack Rabbit (member)→Jack Rabbitt▶ 0:00
  • Conservation administrator name:Matt Marrow (conservation administrator)→Matthew S. Marro▶ 0:00
  • Forester name:Gary Grip (presenter (forester))→Gray▶ 17:29
In one record only: 5 from the recording, 7 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Jeff Viviano and Mike Larouche: Jeff Viviano (member); Mike Larouche (associate member) ▶ 0:00
  • Recording only — Votes on field changes, determinations and continuations at the Oct 21 meeting: Approve field change at 15 Cliff View Terrace; negative determinations for 72 Peninsula Drive, 189 Hemlock Drive and 329 Sunset Lane (4-2); 1370 Mass Ave plan approved 4-2; continuations to Nov 4; 15 The Lane partial certificate; 13 East Street certificate; 352 Town Harbor Road emergency certificates ratified ▶ 10:05
  • Recording only — Forestry site walk and Lake Shirley drawdown special meeting: Advertise a public meeting and site walk for forestry on November 14 at Hollis Road and the Raino property — passed 5-0; special meeting next Wednesday at 7 pm for the Lake Shirley drawdown — passed ▶ 35:03
  • Recording only — Figures as heard (forestry costs, legal ad fee, tree-cutting fine): Bird habitat patch cut cost: $1,000 to $1,500 per acre; Northfield Road timber harvest revenue: 15 and $20,000, under 5,000; legal ad fee: 65 bucks; tree cutting fine: $600 fine ▶ 13:19
  • Recording only — Open meeting law complaint letters and quorum ruling: Approve sending two letters by Town Counsel on the open meeting law complaint — passed ▶ 3:21:43
  • Town’s minutes only — Todd Dwyer attendance: “meeting was called to order at 7 by kj acting as chairman with cc, cl, td, and rb in attendance”
  • Town’s minutes only — Order of Conditions for 181 Reservoir Road: “rb moved to issue an order of conditions with a revised plan to be submitted memorializing the current alterations”
  • Town’s minutes only — Order of Conditions for 915 Northfield Rd: “td moved to issue an order of conditions with the conditions mm outlined. cl seconded and the commission voted unanimously by roll call vote to app”
  • Town’s minutes only — Keolis, 361 Mass Ave, 99 Ruth St, 362 Townsend Harbor Rd and 238 Fire Road 16 continuations to Oct 7: “continued to the october 7 meeting by a motion of rb and a second by td with a unanimous vote by roll call to approve”
  • Town’s minutes only — Warrant articles and letter on 250 Howard Street, plus Certificates of Compliance for 20 Fire Road 19: “with bp motioning to submit the draft articles. cc seconded and the commission unanimously approved the motion by roll call vote.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Enforcement fines at 32 Brookview Ave: “eo-32 brookview ave, patricia adams mm noted the fines were forthcoming for payment”
  • Town’s minutes only — Other decisions: 183 Island Road deed restriction, Mosquito Control visit, retroactive NOI at 4 Townsend Harbor Rd: “the commission instructed mm to work with mr petruzello to file a retroactive notice of intent”

Compared 2026-11-03. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 13:19Bird habitat patch cut cost

    The forester said cutting only the patch areas would cost per acre and not pay for itself.

    as heard:$1,000 to $1,500 per acre

  2. ▶ 17:29Northfield Road timber harvest revenue

    A roughly 30 acre harvest could bring gross timber revenue, with clearing costs under a small amount at the other site.

    as heard:15 and $20,000under 5,000

  3. ▶ 23:32Grants from timber revenue

    A member said trail and ADA grants depend on money from past timber harvests and local match.

  4. ▶ 1:52:53Legal ad fee for new hearing

    The administrator said a separate legal ad would cost a small amount.

    as heard:65 bucks

  5. ▶ 3:10:27Tree cutting fine

    The contractor paid a fine, deposited in the general fund.

    as heard:$600 fine

  6. ▶ 3:55:03Acquiring 250 Howard rear

    The chair suggested using conservation trust funds to buy the parcel if it comes out of tax title.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 32:13Hold a public forestry site walk on Saturday, November 14 at 9, advertised in the newspaper, before any cutting plan is commissioned.
  • ▶ 50:03Special meeting next Wednesday at 7 pm for the Lake Shirley drawdown extension.
  • ▶ 1:42:21Applicant at 29 Fire Road 10 to submit a better profile sketch and replanting locations by November 4.
  • ▶ 2:40:01Applicant at 232 Burge Street to return with a plan to narrow the cart path and revegetate below the wall.
  • ▶ 3:07:58Commission will visit 99 Roof Street on the October 31 site walks.
  • ▶ 3:34:22Chair confirmed a majority of members present is enough to pass motions under the state regulations, not always four votes.
  • ▶ 3:42:01In future, when a motion to approve fails, take a second motion to deny stating reasons.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Orthos from 2008
  • Revised plan for 181 Reservoir Road (to memorialize alterations and propane tank location)
  • Revised plans and survey for 1672 Mass Ave
  • Draft warrant articles for 111 Mulpus Road Rear and 970 N. West Townsend Road
  • Letter supporting the Open Space Committee (250 Howard Street)
  • Current conditions of 2 Orders of Conditions (20 Fire Road 19)

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 9:44written field change requestapplication or permit· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 12:15forest management plansplan or drawing· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:02:431370 Mass Ave sketch planplan or drawing, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Revised plans and survey for 1672 Mass Ave”)
  • ▶ 3:14:22letter to the Attorney General Division of Open Governmentletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 3:15:49letter to Katherine Adamsletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 3:33:18email to Adam Costaletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 57:08minutes of August 19, Sept 2, 16 and 23prior minutes· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 1:00:18Al Galla, engineer for Alan Moore, tried to speak early; asked to wait for the Hemlock Drive hearing.
  2. ▶ 39:41Objected that the Lake Shirley drawdown field change was left off the agenda after being promised. — Joanna Bader, as heard, Lake Shirley representative

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Opening, roll call, associate member, public commentinformational · 7:50 long · public comment
  2. ▶ 7:5915 Cliff View Terrace field changevoted · 2:41 long
  3. ▶ 10:49Forest management planning at town conservation landvoted to hold public site walk · 25:01 long · grants, recreation
  4. ▶ 36:12Lake Shirley drawdown not on agendaspecial meeting scheduled · 14:14 long · legal
  5. ▶ 50:4890 Hemlock Drive propane tank field changevoted · 6:12 long
  6. ▶ 57:08Approval of minutesvoted · 2:52 long
  7. ▶ 1:00:181370 Mass Ave shed and wall hearingvoted · 15:22 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 1:15:4772 Peninsula Drive riprap; 60 South Row Road continuedvoted · 7:43 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 1:23:31189 Hemlock Drive septic repairvoted · 5:09 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 1:28:4529 Fire Road 10 tree removalcontinued · 14:15 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 1:42:44329 Sunset Lane docks, wall, sandvoted · 15:36 long · planning and zoning
  12. ▶ 1:58:314 Town Harbor Road shed and drivewaycontinued · 8:29 long · planning and zoning
  13. ▶ 2:07:07232 Burge Street stone wallcontinued · 34:43 long · planning and zoning, legal
  14. ▶ 2:42:0655 White Street and 200 Island Roadvoted · 15:44 long · planning and zoning
  15. ▶ 2:56:311672 Mass Ave continued; 15 The Lane certificatevoted · 9:29 long · planning and zoning
  16. ▶ 3:06:15Enforcement actionsvoted · 7:45 long · legal
  17. ▶ 3:14:02Open meeting law complaint lettersvoted · 8:18 long · legal
  18. ▶ 3:22:23Trails grant, certificates, emergency permitsvoted · 7:57 long · grants
  19. ▶ 3:30:26Counsel advice on voting, denials, communicationsinformational · 32:24 long · legal, policy
  20. ▶ 4:03:05Closing remarks, town portal, adjournmentadjourned · 5:05 long

What the captions could not carry

  • Some roll call responses are garbled, so the full counts are not heard on a few votes.
  • Counts for the 15 The Lane and 13 East Street certificate votes are partly unclear.

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

  • ▶ 13:19Conservation timber fundHow much do timber harvests earn and cost for conservation land, and what do they fund?

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