What was said

Conservation Commission, December 2, 2020

the recording · 3:00 long, about 22,069 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:20:59The Conservation Commission held a public forum on firearm hunting in its draft land use policy and took no action; the topic returns at the next meeting.
  2. ▶ 1:20:59Commissioners favoring firearm hunting on conservation land were asked to bring concrete drafts to the next meeting.
  3. ▶ 1:22:24Several wetland hearings without DEP file numbers, including Page Street lots 1 and 2, were continued to December 16 by roll call.
  4. ▶ 1:51:05Negative determinations passed on four requests: 28 Oak Ridge Road, 398 Sunset Lane dock, 1168 Rear Mass Ave demolition and 60 South Row Road solar tree removal.
  5. ▶ 2:45:38A certificate of compliance for 137 Bird Street was issued and an administrative tree removal at 106 Sandy Cove Road was approved.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Whether firearm hunting is allowed on town conservation land is still undecided, so residents who live near or use these parcels can still weigh in before the policy is settled.
  • Negative determinations mean those projects can go ahead without a full wetlands filing, while continued hearings leave the other projects pending until at least December 16.

Watch next

  • December 16: continued hearings for Boivin, Page Street lots 1 and 2, 232 Bird Street, 1672 Mass Ave and 25 Pearl.
  • Next meeting: longer land use policy discussion on firearm hunting and forest harvesting proposals; the first January meeting may be cancelled.

legalplanning and zoningpolicypublic commentrecreation

Present: Bob (chair) (chair); Ken Jones (member); Rich Bursch (member); Katie Childs (member); Kyle/Carl Luck (member); Jack Rabbit (member); Jeff Viviano (member); Mike Larouche (associate member); Matt Murrow (conservation agent); Tom Alonzo (select board member). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 1:24:21Continue the Boivin NOI hearing (81 Maple Parkway) to December 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  2. ▶ 1:43:04Continue Lot 1 Page Street hearing to December 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  3. ▶ 1:44:13Continue Lot 2 Page Street hearing to December 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  4. ▶ 1:51:05Negative determination for 28 Oak Ridge Road RDA, with tree replacement at applicant's discretionpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  5. ▶ 1:56:36Negative determination for 398 Sunset Lane dock replacement RDApassed (roll call; one member recused)
  6. ▶ 2:01:10Negative determination for 1168 Rear Mass Ave demolition RDApassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  7. ▶ 2:18:25Negative determination for 60 South Row Road solar tree removal with two trees and three shrubs plantedpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  8. ▶ 2:20:30Continue 232 Bird Street NOI to December 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  9. ▶ 2:22:13Continue 1672 Mass Ave NOI to December 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  10. ▶ 2:25:28Continue 25 Pearl NOI to December 16passed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  11. ▶ 2:45:38Issue certificate of compliance for 137 Bird Streetpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)
  12. ▶ 2:49:49Approve administrative determination to remove tree at 106 Sandy Cove Roadpassed (roll call, all ayes heard)

And 1 procedural: adjourn (▶ 2:59:14).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 16 agree, 2 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 1 substantive difference. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsWhether the next land use discussion is a public hearing

    recording Next meeting to include longer land use policy discussion and forest harvesting proposals; first January meeting may be cancelled.

    town’s minutes “he noted it could be taken up at the next meeting.”

    Official structured summary says the next meeting is not a public hearing or open session, which ours does not say; check the recording.

2 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • 232 Bird Street vs 232 Burrage Street NOI continued:Continue 232 Bird Street NOI to December 16 — passed (roll call, all ayes heard)→232 Burrage Street▶ 2:20:30
  • Certificate of compliance 137 Bird vs Burrage Street:Issue certificate of compliance for 137 Bird Street — passed (roll call, all ayes heard)→137 Burrage Street▶ 2:45:38
In one record only: 2 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Hearings without DEP numbers continued: Hearings without DEP file numbers continued to December 16.
  • Recording only — Next meeting agenda: longer land use discussion, forest harvesting, possible January cancellation: Next meeting to include longer land use policy discussion and forest harvesting proposals; first January meeting may be cancelled.
  • Town’s minutes only — Year-round hunting season research: “bp noted that it would be researched.”
  • Town’s minutes only — List of preliminary actions on potential violations: “cl also asked mm to document on a list the preliminary actions”
  • Town’s minutes only — Written notice in Penniman file: “rb asked that mm put a written notice in with the file”
  • Town’s minutes only — No-ATV signage on the Lane parcel: “bp has the no atv signs and will go out with kj at some point in the near future to add the signage.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Public commenters and applicants in attendance: “mark bursch addressed the commission stating his agreement with kj.”

Compared 2026-11-03. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

Nothing touching money was heard beyond the transfers.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 1:20:59No action on land use policy tonight; commissioners favoring firearm hunting to bring concrete drafts to the next meeting.
  • ▶ 1:22:24Hearings without DEP file numbers continued to December 16.
  • ▶ 1:40:58Applicant at Page Street asked to mark trees to be removed on plans and stake houses before site visits.
  • ▶ 2:33:01Agent asked not to place Golden certificate of compliance on the agenda until ready for a vote.
  • ▶ 2:55:46Next meeting to include longer land use policy discussion and forest harvesting proposals; first January meeting may be cancelled.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Letter from Selectmen Michael Ray Jeffries (read into the record)
  • Town Counsel responses to commission questions on land use policy
  • Redline version of the land use policy
  • Prepared statement by Lyn Mann (submitted to file)
  • Paul Gougen certificate of compliance concerns list (on file)
  • Original order of Conditions, Penniman 137 Burrage Street (February 1996) and plans
  • Mass Wildlife schedule of hunting seasons
  • Notice of Intent by David and Kiley Boivin, 81 Maple Parkway
  • Notice of Intent by Jeff Stone, Lot 1, 50 Page Street
  • Notice of Intent by Jeff Stone, Lot 2, 50 Page Street
  • Request for determination by George Yapp, 28 Oak Ridge Road
  • Request for determination by Gary Kroll, 398 Sunset Lane
  • Request for determination by M2 Trust, 1168 R Mass Ave
  • Request for determination by Dan Dugas, 60 South Row Road
  • Notice of Intent by Cutis Nikitas, 232 Burrage Street
  • Notice of Intent by Jeff LaPierre, 1672 Mass Ave
  • Notice of Intent by John Fournier, 25 Pearl Street

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 7:30proposed revisions to the land use policy (first draft)draft policy or bylaw, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Redline version of the land use policy”)
  • ▶ 8:13town attorney's commentsletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 10:43letter from selectman Michael Ray Jeffriesletter or email, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Letter from Selectmen Michael Ray Jeffries (read into the record)”)
  • ▶ 29:58red line versiondraft policy or bylaw, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:28:38plans for Page Street lotsplan or drawing, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Notice of Intent by Jeff Stone, Lot 1, 50 Page Street”)
  • ▶ 2:41:38Peterman order of conditions (1995-96)application or permit, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Original order of Conditions, Penniman 137 Burrage Street (February 1996) and plans”)

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 54:23Opposes firearm hunting on conservation land, though open to designated parcels; cites safety and liability. — Lin Mann, as heard, resident, 463 Bird Street
  2. ▶ 58:45Opposes firearms because they would disturb quiet enjoyment; asks to leave space for walkers. — Susan Dempsey, as heard, resident, 108 Robs Hill Road
  3. ▶ 37:14Supports opening some conservation parcels to firearm hunting as passive recreation. — Mark Bursch, as heard, lifelong resident
  4. ▶ 1:11:27Asks about the length of hunting seasons and year-round small-game seasons. — Laura Bowsen, as heard, resident, Robs Hill Road
  5. ▶ 1:17:19Opposes firearm hunting, citing safety to children and neighbors. — Steve Weaver, as heard, resident, 288 Holman Street
  6. ▶ 28:14A select board member urges the commission to keep the firearm restriction; discusses town attorney's opinion and liability.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Opening, remote meeting notices, roll call, announcements, lake drawdown concernsinformational · 7:10 long
  2. ▶ 7:10Public forum on land use policy revisions, especially firearm hunting on conservation landno action; returns next meeting · 1:14:52 long · policy, legal, public comment
  3. ▶ 1:22:02Boivin NOI continued; Stone Page Street lots 1 and 2 NOIs continuedcontinued to Dec 16 · 22:48 long · planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 1:44:50RDAs: 28 Oak Ridge Road and 398 Sunset Lane docknegative determinations · 12:50 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 1:57:40RDAs: 1168 Rear Mass Ave demolition and 60 South Row Road solar treesnegative determinations · 21:40 long · planning and zoning
  6. ▶ 2:19:20Continuances: 232 Bird Street, 1672 Mass Ave, 25 Pearlcontinued to Dec 16 · 7:10 long
  7. ▶ 2:26:30Enforcement, trails grant, Golden compliance concerns, tracking violations, 137 Bird Street certificatecertificate issued · 20:20 long · planning and zoning, legal
  8. ▶ 2:46:50Administrative tree determination, ATV signs, future agenda, adjournmentapproved and adjourned · 13:10 long

What the captions could not carry

  • Several roll-call responses were partly garbled, so a few individual votes are inferred only from the sequence of ayes heard.
  • Name spellings of applicants and officials are unreliable in the captions.

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