What was said

Conservation Commission, February 3, 2021

the recording · 3:22 long, about 22,406 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 36:02The commission approved commercial goat hikes on conservation land, with proof of insurance and police notice required within a week.
  2. ▶ 20:49It approved an Eagle Scout kiosk project at Proctor Park by a 5-0 roll call vote.
  3. ▶ 1:40:05Most of the meeting went to a line-by-line review of the draft land use regulations; the commission sent them to a public hearing on the 17th.
  4. ▶ 2:03:59Firearms and bow hunting were left for the hearing, and a firearms straw poll was deferred until an absent member can take part.
  5. ▶ 3:06:03The commission extended the Hickory Hills Lake order of conditions one year past the end of the emergency declaration, 4-2 as captioned.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The draft land use regulations, including rules on firearms, bow hunting and dogs on town conservation land, are not settled and will be argued at a public hearing where residents can comment.
  • Goat hikes are a new commercial use of town conservation land, so the insurance and police-notice conditions are the terms that govern it.

Watch next

  • Public hearing on the draft land use regulations on 17 February, with the 203 Fire Road 16 and 36 Cushing Lane hearings also continued to that date.
  • Counsel's reply on bow hunting at Hunting Hill, and the firearms straw poll after the hearing.

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Present: Ken Jones (member); Rich Bursch (member); Katie Childs (member); Carl Luck (member); Jack Rabbit (member); Mike Larouche (associate member); Bob (chair); Matt (conservation agent). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 20:49Approve Eagle Scout kiosk project at Proctor Parkpassed 5-0 by roll call
  2. ▶ 36:02Approve goat hikes, waiving the 21-day requirement, with proof of insurance and police notice within a weekpassed 5-0 by roll call
  3. ▶ 51:07Approve the request for determination at 32 Pine Grove Road as presentedpassed 5-0 by roll call
  4. ▶ 52:20Continue the Wu and Benjamin hearing at Fire Road 12passed 5-0 by roll call
  5. ▶ 54:14Continue the 203 Fire Road 16 hearing until later in the meetingpassed 4-0 by roll call, as captioned
  6. ▶ 1:04:35Approve the 75 Roost Street septic notice of intent with two red maples added and removal of three treespassed 5-0 by roll call
  7. ▶ 1:06:24Continue 203 Fire Road 16 to February 17passed 5-0 by roll call
  8. ▶ 1:07:29Continue 36 Cushing Lane to February 17passed 5-0 by roll call
  9. ▶ 1:11:02Ratify enforcement order at 615 Townsend Streetpassed 5-0 by roll call
  10. ▶ 1:15:17Send formal enforcement letter on Fire Road 16 (Keating property)passed 5-0 by roll call
  11. ▶ 3:00:31Issue certificate of compliance for 63 Prospect Streetpassed; Katie's vote unclear in the captions
  12. ▶ 3:02:14Issue certificate of compliance for 21 Crescent Terracepassed; captions show the ayes but not carl's vote clearly
  13. ▶ 3:06:03Extend the Hickory Hills Lake order of conditions one year past the end of the emergency declarationpassed 4-2 as captioned (Bursch and Luck no); the chair's vote is not audible

And 4 procedural: approve minutes of december 2 (▶ 9:11); approve minutes of december 16 (▶ 9:53); approve minutes of january 13 (▶ 11:00); adjourn (▶ 3:21:28).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 11 agree, 1 caption error resolved by the official reading, 4 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsFire Road 12 (Wu/Benjamin) continuation date▶ 52:20

    recording Continue the Wu and Benjamin hearing at Fire Road 12 — passed 5-0 by roll call (no date given)

    town’s minutes “continued to the february 15, 2021 meeting at 7 pm by a motion of jr and a second by cc”

    Our minutes give no date, while the other continuances went to Feb 17 and the official minutes say Feb 15; check the recording for the date.

  2. differs75 Roost/Ruth Street septic order of conditions▶ 1:04:35

    recording Approve the 75 Roost Street septic notice of intent with two red maples added and removal of three trees — passed 5-0 by roll call

    town’s minutes “jr moved to approve an order of conditions with the additional condition of replacing the trees removed with 2 added tree plantings”

    Street name differs (Roost vs Ruth), and ours specifies red maples and three trees removed, which the official minutes do not; check the street name and tree details.

  3. differs21 Crescent Terrace▶ 3:02:14

    recording Issue certificate of compliance for 21 Crescent Terrace — passed; captions show the ayes but not carl's vote clearly

    town’s minutes “the commission voted to approve the release of the order of conditions by a motion of kj and a second by jr”

    Ours describes a certificate of compliance, the official minutes a release of an expired order that was never commenced; check the recording for which was voted.

  4. differsHickory Hills Lake extension timing and voters▶ 3:06:03

    recording Extend the Hickory Hills Lake order of conditions one year past the end of the emergency declaration — passed 4-2 as captioned (Bursch and Luck no); the chair's vote is not audible

    town’s minutes “the motion to approve was approved by a split roll call vote by kj, cc, jr and bp and no by cl and rb.”

    Tally and no votes (Luck, Bursch) match, and the official minutes show the chair voting yes; the remaining difference is the 'one year past the end of the emergency declaration' wording versus 'after the COVID-19 declaration is lifted'.

1 caption error the town’s minutes resolve
  • Vote count on continuing 203 Fire Road 16 until later in the meeting:Continue the 203 Fire Road 16 hearing until later in the meeting — passed 4-0 by roll call, as captioned→unanimous▶ 54:14
In one record only: 2 from the recording, 4 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Hunting and firearms discussion and public hearing date: Draft regulations to go to public hearing on the 17th. The commission rejected the attorney's edits to the definition wording. Straw poll on firearms deferred; bow hunting left as written. ▶ 1:40:05
  • Recording only — Hollis Road forestry cutting plan: Forestry cutting plan for Hollis Road to come to the first March meeting. ▶ 3:18:17
  • Town’s minutes only — Non-lethal weapons prohibition: “the commission did add in language for the prohibition of non lethal weapons.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Deer field dressing provision: “bp inserted a provision that field dressing a deer must be 50 feet from a trail.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Leominster Road site walk deferral: “the commission deferred until such time as there was no snow cover.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Lake Shirley encampments site walk: “lake shirley encampments- to be added to the agenda jr and mm to site walk them.”

Compared 2026-11-03. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 19:21Recreational trails grant

    The chair has a Massachusetts Recreational Trails Program grant that pays for colored trail markers and a map sign.

  2. ▶ 17:36Eagle Scout project materials

    A member offered to help with materials costs; the scout is fundraising himself.

  3. ▶ 25:03Goat hike fee

    The goat operators charge a fee for hikes to offset the cost of keeping the goats.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 34:03Goat hikes approved subject to proof of insurance, police notification and the agent's check that the use is allowed.
  • ▶ 1:40:05Draft regulations to go to public hearing on the 17th. The commission rejected the attorney's edits to the definition wording.
  • ▶ 2:03:59Straw poll on firearms deferred until the member who was absent can take part, after the public hearing.
  • ▶ 2:34:34Bow hunting left as written in the draft for the hearing; counsel's reply on Hunting Hill is awaited.
  • ▶ 2:19:37Agent to add a police-notified box to the form and send it before the 17th.
  • ▶ 3:14:21Agent to have the Spring Street owners file an RDA for the plantings.
  • ▶ 3:18:17Forestry cutting plan for Hollis Road to come to the first March meeting.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Town Counsel's tracked changes (draft land use regulations)
  • Mullins form (Christopher Oldham request for determination)
  • Chapter 91 waterways application
  • Draft website and trial maps
  • Kiosk design (Eagle Scout proposal)
  • RAYNO property cutting plan
  • Hollis Road plan
  • Extension permit DEP 208-1104 (Hickory Hills Lake)

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 12:20powerpointpresentation, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 41:14revised planplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 1:17:03adam costa's version of the land use regulationsdraft policy or bylaw, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Town Counsel's tracked changes (draft land use regulations)”)
  • ▶ 2:17:53overnight formapplication or permit· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 6:37Concord informationother· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Meeting script, roll call, trail maps updateinformational · 9:10 long
  2. ▶ 9:11Approval of minutesvoted · 2:44 long
  3. ▶ 11:56Eagle Scout kiosk at Proctor Parkvoted · 9:44 long · recreation
  4. ▶ 21:41Goat hikes on conservation landvoted · 16:09 long · recreation, policy
  5. ▶ 37:5132 Pine Grove Road RDAvoted · 14:09 long · planning and zoning
  6. ▶ 52:01Hearings: Fire Road 12, 203 Fire Road 16, 75 Roost Street septic, 36 Cushing Lanevoted · 15:49 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 1:07:51Enforcement actionsvoted · 8:49 long · legal
  8. ▶ 1:16:41Draft land use regulationsno resolution · 1:41:29 long · policy, legal
  9. ▶ 2:58:11Certificates of compliancevoted · 5:09 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 3:03:21Hickory Hills Lake permit extensionvoted · 6:49 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 3:10:11Committee reports, Spring Street, open space, adjournvoted · 12:09 long · planning and zoning

What the captions could not carry

  • Some roll call votes are garbled, including Katie Childs's at 10831.
  • The chair's own vote on the Hickory Hills extension is not audible.
  • Vote at 3254 shows only four members' votes.

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