Conservation Commission, April 21, 2021

The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

grantslegalplanning and zoningpolicypublic commenttown departments

Present: bob pies (chair); ken jones (member); rich bursch (member); katie childs (member); jack rabbit (member); jeff viviano (member); mike larouche (associate member); matt murrow (conservation agent); neil trahan (staff (Zoom host)); carl luck (member (absent)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

1. ▶ 1:25:04Continue the 9 Bootwell Street septic hearing until May 5. — moved by rich bursch, as heardpassed
2. ▶ 1:50:43Continue the 48 Pearl Street hearing until May 19.passed
3. ▶ 2:12:30Continue the 101 Pleasant Street hearing until May 19.passed
4. ▶ 2:28:02Continue the 73 Peninsula Drive hearing until May 19.passed
5. ▶ 2:29:48Continue the 137 Flynn Road hearing until May 5.passed
6. ▶ 2:30:52Continue the 757 Chase Road hearing until May 5.passed
7. ▶ 2:57:55Continue the 238 Fire Road 16 hearing pending a revised plan removing wing walls and moving limit of work to the 30 foot zone. — moved by rich bursch, as heardpassed
8. ▶ 3:18:06Approve the land use regulations as submitted, with the modified organization form. — moved by rich bursch, as heardfailed

And 2 procedural: approve the march 17 minutes. (▶ 3:01:25); adjourn. (▶ 3:32:48).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 8 agree, 1 caption error resolved by the official reading, 6 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

1. differs238 Fire Road 16 continuation: date and plan conditions▶ 2:57:55

   recording Continue the 238 Fire Road 16 hearing pending a revised plan removing wing walls and moving limit of work to the 30 foot zone. — passed

   town’s minutes “a motion was made to continue the meeting pending a revised plan showing the wing walls removed and the hay bales on east side moved up to demarcate a limit of work.”

   Both continue pending a revised plan, but the official structured record gives a May 5 date and hay bales marking the limit of work, while ours gives no date and a 30 foot zone; check the minutes and recording. The official decisions also say a plan reflecting the retaining walls is to be drawn as a condition of approval, which seems at odds with removing the walls.

2. differsSite visit date for 48 Pearl Street▶ 1:50:22

   recording Site visit for 48 Pearl Street set for the Saturday before the May 19 hearing; applicant to flag trees and consider an arborist report.

   town’s minutes “the site visit was set for may 15.”

   May 15, 2021 is the Saturday before May 19, so these are probably consistent, but ours does not state the date; confirm against the recording.

3. differsEnforcement letter: 90 Roost Street (ours) vs 90 Ruth Street (official)▶ 3:04:35

   recording Agent to send a letter to 90 roost street owner that a fine will be discussed at next hearing if filings are not made.

   town’s minutes “90 ruth street- second letter will be sent with a potential fine”

   Probably the same item with the street name misheard (Ruth/Roost). Because the two records give different street names, confirm the address against the recording.

4. differsEnforcement letter to 48 Acreage (ours) vs 48 Oak Ridge (official)▶ 3:12:13

   recording Same letter-and-fine approach to be used for 48 acreage as for 90 roost street.

   town’s minutes “48 oak ridge letter to be sent due to non response”

   Probably the same property with the name misheard, but ours says a letter with a fine and the official says only a letter; check the address and whether a fine was mentioned.

5. differsTrails grant: $1,267 vs 150 land signs▶ 20:43

   recording Recreational trails program grant: one thousand two hundred sixty seven dollar, over a hundred and fifty

   town’s minutes “it was clarified that bp had stated that the trails grant would fund 150 land signs and that the land use regulations passed would dictate the contents of the signage.”

   The captions give a dollar figure of $1,267 and the official minutes give no dollar figure, only 150 land signs; the figure may be a misheard dollar amount, so check the recording.

6. differsLand use regulations: next step after the failed vote▶ 3:32:48

   recording Chair will post revised land use regulations incorporating the agent's new business form.

   town’s minutes “the motion failed and would be taken up again on the 5th of may.”

   Ours says the chair will post revised regulations, while the official says deliberation resumes May 5; the two may be compatible, but check what was agreed for the follow-up.

Compared 2026-10-26. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

1. ▶ 20:43Recreational trails program grant

   The chair said the commission holds a trails grant for about 150 'you are here' map signs that cannot be implemented until the land use regulation revision is complete.

   as heard:one thousand two hundred sixty seven dollarover a hundred and fifty

2. ▶ 3:04:35Fine for enforcement non-response (90 roost street)

   A member proposed telling the owner in a letter that a fine would be discussed at the next hearing if documents are not filed; the amount is the usual one, subject to waiver or reduction.

   as heard:three hundred dollars

Settled without a vote

• ▶ 1:25:04Septic replacement hearing at 9 Bootwell Street continued to May 5.
• ▶ 1:50:22Site visit for 48 Pearl Street set for the Saturday before the May 19 hearing; applicant to flag trees and consider an arborist report.
• ▶ 2:28:43Site walk at 73 Peninsula Drive set for the 15th, Saturday about nine in the morning.
• ▶ 3:04:35Agent to send a letter to 90 roost street owner that a fine will be discussed at next hearing if filings are not made.
• ▶ 3:10:06Fire Road 12 violation to be removed from the enforcement agenda.
• ▶ 3:12:13Same letter-and-fine approach to be used for 48 acreage as for 90 roost street.
• ▶ 3:32:48Chair will post revised land use regulations incorporating the agent's new business form.

Documents and exhibits

In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: Photos sent to the file by CL; Colored drawing of the retaining walls (update sent to the meeting binder).

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

1. ▶ 4:30Invitation to Earth Day events at the community pollinator habitat. — a speaker, commission member speaking early
2. ▶ 5:32Asked how to access the Saliba property and Table Rock. — katie adams, as heard, resident
3. ▶ 22:08Asked what geocaching is. — andrea adams, as heard
4. ▶ 22:49Volunteered to help put up trail signs. — bill mish, as heard
5. ▶ 25:39Asked whether firearm possession is allowed only for hunting. — andrea laford, as heard
6. ▶ 26:47Questions on state hunting rules, tree stands and enforcement; opposes firearm hunting near her home. — jane duvall, as heard
7. ▶ 32:58Supported not banning firearm possession and the limited hunting step. — bob walton, as heard, resident
8. ▶ 37:17Asked whether a town meeting non-binding vote would require the commission to act. — todd whittier, as heard
9. ▶ 40:46Said possession and hunting should be separate topics; questioned timing. — katie adams, as heard, resident
10. ▶ 45:53Asked why hunting was removed from conservation land in 2011; praised the compromise. — mark bursch, as heard, hunter, long-time resident
11. ▶ 52:26Questioned the statement that no compelling reason was given against the proposal. — jane duvall, as heard
12. ▶ 59:15Warned against prohibiting firearm possession and urged separating discharge from possession. — andrea adams, as heard
13. ▶ 1:02:00Said emails don't capture all opposition; neighbors are affected. — andrea laford, as heard, resident, Pleasant Street
14. ▶ 1:03:42Said town counsel vetted the possession ban; the number of opponents is significant. — tom alonzo, as heard
15. ▶ 1:06:06Opposed more firearm hunting near homes and children. — michelle taylor, as heard, resident, Howard Street
16. ▶ 1:08:17Proposed making Hunting Hills hunting-only and questioned fear-based arguments. — chris martens, as heard, resident, Northfield Road
17. ▶ 1:11:05Supported hunting access, including waterfowl, and public use of conservation land. — dennis fortune, as heard, resident, Rob's Hill area
18. ▶ 1:13:30Asked why taxpayers' conservation land should require going out of town to hunt. — todd, as heard, hunter
19. ▶ 1:16:20Said the non-binding petition combines two issues and is not meaningful guidance. — bob walton, as heard
20. ▶ 1:17:22Agreed the two issues should be separate; it would affect his vote. — lin-man, as heard, resident, Bird Street
21. ▶ 1:24:00Asked about the distance from the septic system to the well. — andrea adams, as heard
22. ▶ 2:04:14Asked about the pond near the 101 Pleasant Street entrance. — andrea laford, as heard
23. ▶ 2:07:09Called the 101 Pleasant subdivision aggressive and asked for clearer plan layers. — andrea adams, as heard, abutter's relative
24. ▶ 3:26:27Asked whether absent members can vote remotely. — andrea, as heard

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

• planning and zoning102 min · 48%
• legal90 min · 42%
• policy83 min · 39%
• public comment57 min · 27%
• town departments15 min · 7%
• personnel15 min · 7%
• grants3 min · 2%

The whole meeting, in order

1. ▶ 0:04Open meeting law notice and roll callinformational · 4:05 long
2. ▶ 4:09Public comment: pollinator events and Table Rock accessinformational · 4:32 long · public comment
3. ▶ 9:02Land use regulations hearing: Q&A document reviewinformational · 12:24 long · policy, legal
4. ▶ 21:26Comments on non-hunting provisionsinformational · 3:51 long · public comment, policy
5. ▶ 25:17Public comment on hunting and firearmshearing closed · 48:55 long · public comment, policy, legal
6. ▶ 1:14:12Closing the hearing; vote timing disputehearing closed · 3:51 long · policy
7. ▶ 1:18:239 Bootwell Street septic replacement hearingcontinued to May 5 · 8:12 long · planning and zoning
8. ▶ 1:26:3548 Pearl Street shoreline erosion hearingcontinued to May 19 · 25:11 long · planning and zoning
9. ▶ 1:51:46101 Pleasant Street six-lot subdivision hearingcontinued to May 19 · 21:27 long · planning and zoning
10. ▶ 2:13:1373 Peninsula Drive tree removal hearingcontinued to May 19 · 16:14 long · planning and zoning
11. ▶ 2:29:27137 Flynn Road and 757 Chase Road hearingscontinued to May 5 · 2:06 long · planning and zoning
12. ▶ 2:31:33238 Fire Road 16 single-family home hearingcontinued for revised plan, to May 5 · 29:10 long · planning and zoning, legal
13. ▶ 3:00:43Approval of March 17 minutesvoted · 1:25 long
14. ▶ 3:02:08Enforcement items and agent workloadinformational · 14:32 long · town departments, personnel
15. ▶ 3:16:40Deliberation on land use policymotion failed; vote set for May 5 · 14:20 long · policy
16. ▶ 3:31:00Trails grant, agent reports, adjournmentadjourned · 3:15 long · grants

What the captions could not carry

• Whether the commission made a final decision on the land use policy: the motion failed and the vote was set for May 5.
• Several speakers' names were garbled in the captions.
• When the absent member will return is unknown.
• Roll call counts for individual votes beyond the names spoken were not consistently clear.

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