What was said

Conservation Commission, November 17, 2021

the recording · 3:06 long, about 21,997 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 2:26:04The commission voted to send written notice that further silt reaching Page Pond from 615 Townsend Street will bring a daily fine until remediation is in place.
  2. ▶ 2:37:00It tabled for two weeks the question of requiring a wetland specialist at 615 Townsend Street, pending legal review of the scope of work.
  3. ▶ 1:59:48The 101 Pleasant Street subdivision and 41 Country Lane were each continued to December 1; 188 Whalen Road was also continued to December 1.
  4. ▶ 1:21:53Negative determinations were voted for a Lancaster Ave garage, a Peninsula Drive screen porch (the addition was denied) and work at 37 Pearl.
  5. ▶ 2:04:08The commission declined to use the town's right of first refusal on the Chapter 61A land on Holmen Street and will send the selectmen a letter saying so.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The Townsend Street vote sets up a possible daily fine on a landowner and may bring legal costs to the town, which are paid from the town budget, mostly taxes.
  • Passing on the Holmen Street right of first refusal means the town did not move to buy that Chapter 61A land, a decision that rests with the selectmen's follow-up.

Watch next

  • The two-week return of the wetland-specialist question for 615 Townsend Street, after legal review of the scope of work.
  • The December 1 continued hearings for 41 Country Lane, 101 Pleasant Street and 188 Whalen Road, and the November 27 site walk.

legalplanning and zoningpublic commentpublic safety

Present: Richard Bursch (chair); Bob Peace (member); Mike Larouche (member); Jeff Viviano (member); Jack Rabbit (member (also addressed as vice chairman)); Katie Childs (member); Patricia Adams (member (absent at roll call, joined later)); Matt (conservation agent / staff). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 9:00Approve the notice of intent for the tight tank with added conditions: 12-inch wattles plus staked, buried silt fence.passed (roll call; Larouche, Rabbit and chair heard voting aye)
  2. ▶ 53:23Continue 41 Country Lane to December 1.passed (aye from Larouche, Rabbit and chair; no opposition heard)
  3. ▶ 54:46Continue the 188 Whalen Road hearing to later in the meeting.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  4. ▶ 1:00:24Negative determination for 1390 Lancaster Ave garage, delivered on receipt of a signed and dated plan.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  5. ▶ 1:21:53Negative determination for rebuilding the 8x16 screen porch at 35 Peninsula Drive and denial of the proposed addition.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  6. ▶ 1:34:32Negative determination at 37 Pearl for regrading, removing the wall and part of the walkway, and moving the shed 50 feet from the water.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  7. ▶ 1:59:48Continue 101 Pleasant Street to December 1.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  8. ▶ 2:00:29Continue 188 Whalen Road to December 1.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  9. ▶ 2:04:08Send a letter to the selectmen that the commission does not want to exercise the town's right of first refusal on the Chapter 61A land on Holmen Street.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  10. ▶ 2:06:33Approve the agent's expenditures at 123 Hollis Road for pest control and septic pumping.not audible (roll call partly heard)
  11. ▶ 2:13:41Ratify the emergency certification issued to the Shirley DPW for the beaver dam on Page Street.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  12. ▶ 2:26:04Have the agent and Casey determine the scope of legal work at 615 Townsend Street, and send written notice that silt reaching Page Pond again brings a fine per day until remediation is in place.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  13. ▶ 2:37:00Table the wetland-specialist amendment for two weeks pending Casey's review of the scope of work, with the matter kept as a running agenda item.passed (roll call ayes heard)
  14. ▶ 3:04:31Ratify the administrator's determination allowing tree removal for John Tata (stumps to stay).passed (roll call ayes heard)

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 7 agree, 1 caption error resolved by the official reading, 10 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a partial record.

  1. differs1390 Lancaster Ave: garage or shed, and the signed-and-dated plan condition▶ 1:00:24

    recording Negative determination for 1390 Lancaster Ave garage, delivered on receipt of a signed and dated plan.

    town’s minutes “a request for a determination by randy and jacqueline leblanc for the placement of a shed within the buffer zone”

    Ours calls the structure a garage; the official minutes call it a shed. The official minutes attach the signed-and-dated-plan request to 37 Pearl Street (RB), not to 1390 Lancaster. Check the recording and the filing.

  2. differs123 Hollis Road expenditures vote outcome▶ 2:06:33

    recording Approve the agent's expenditures at 123 Hollis Road for pest control and septic pumping. — not audible (roll call partly heard)

    town’s minutes “a motion was made to approve the amounts by jr with a second by cc. the motion was approved by a unanimous roll call vote.”

    Ours could not hear the outcome; the official minutes say it passed unanimously. Check the recording near t=7593 before treating it as settled.

  3. differsContinue 41 Country Lane to December 1▶ 53:23

    recording Continue 41 Country Lane to December 1. — passed (aye from Larouche, Rabbit and chair; no opposition heard)

    town’s minutes —

    Our minutes record a continuance vote; the official minutes record none for 41 Country Lane. Check whether the official minutes omit it.

  4. differsContinue 101 Pleasant Street and 188 Whalen Road to December 1▶ 1:59:48

    recording Continue 101 Pleasant Street to December 1. — passed (roll call ayes heard); Continue 188 Whalen Road to December 1. — passed (roll call ayes heard)

    town’s minutes —

    Our minutes record two continuance votes, plus one to continue 188 Whalen Road to later in the meeting. The official minutes record none of them, and its decisions section does not mention 188 Whalen Road. Check the official minutes for these hearings.

  5. differsEmergency certification for the Shirley DPW beaver dam on Page Street▶ 2:13:41

    recording Ratify the emergency certification issued to the Shirley DPW for the beaver dam on Page Street. — passed (roll call ayes heard)

    town’s minutes —

    Our minutes record a ratification vote that the official minutes do not mention. Check the recording and the official minutes.

  6. differs615 Townsend Street: legal scope and written notice vote▶ 2:26:04

    recording Have the agent and Casey determine the scope of legal work at 615 Townsend Street, and send written notice that silt reaching Page Pond again brings a fine per day until remediation is in place. — passed (roll call ayes heard)

    town’s minutes “mm will send a notice to the owner that there must be erosion protection added or fines can commence if more silt goes into the pond.”

    Our minutes record a vote including a legal-scope review with Casey; the official minutes record no vote and no legal review, only the agent sending a notice. Check which is right.

  7. differsFine amount for further silt events at 615 Townsend Street▶ 2:22:58

    recording Fine for further silt events at 615 Townsend Street: 300 a day

    town’s minutes “mm will send a notice to the owner that there must be erosion protection added or fines can commence if more silt goes into the pond.”

    The official minutes give no dollar amount. Check whether $300 per day was stated, since captions may mishear amounts.

  8. differsTable wetland-specialist amendment for two weeks▶ 2:37:00

    recording Table the wetland-specialist amendment for two weeks pending Casey's review of the scope of work, with the matter kept as a running agenda item. — passed (roll call ayes heard)

    town’s minutes —

    Our minutes record a tabling vote, and a decision to wait two weeks, that the official minutes do not. The official minutes instead record the agent investigating the agricultural exemption with the building commissioner. Check the recording.

  9. differsTree removal approval: John Tata or 135 Flynn Rd▶ 3:04:31

    recording Ratify the administrator's determination allowing tree removal for John Tata (stumps to stay). — passed (roll call ayes heard)

    town’s minutes “the commission approved the administrator's determination with the motion by jr and a second by cc with a unanimous roll call vote approving the motion.”

    Both record a vote ratifying the administrator on tree removal, but ours names John Tata and keeps the stumps, while the official minutes name 135 Flynn Rd and two dead trees. Check whether these are one item or two.

  10. differsAttendance: members present▶ 9:00

    recording Richard Bursch (chair); Bob Peace; Mike Larouche; Jeff Viviano; Jack Rabbit; Katie Childs; Patricia Adams (absent at roll call, joined later)

    town’s minutes “meeting called to order with rb acting as chair. in attendance - rb, cc, jv,ml,jr”

    The official list has five members (RB, CC, JV, ML, JR), who appear to match Bursch, Childs, Viviano, Larouche and Rabbit. Ours also lists Bob Peace and Patricia Adams, who are not in the official list. The official minutes say RB was acting chair; ours says chair. Check the roll call.

1 caption error the town’s minutes resolve
  • Holman Street name on the Chapter 61A release:Send a letter to the selectmen that the commission does not want to exercise the town's right of first refusal on the Chapter 61A land on Holmen Street.→Holman St.▶ 2:04:08
In one record only: 2 from the recording, 4 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Trails grant date: Trails grant: december of 2022 ▶ 2:09:07
  • Recording only — Elevator cost: Elevator cost: 40 000 ▶ 50:34
  • Town’s minutes only — Wood shavings berm ordered at 615 Townsend Street: “mm ordered the landowner to install a wood shavings berm in order to prevent further erosion”
  • Town’s minutes only — Agricultural exemption investigation at 615 Townsend Street: “mm is going to investigate the area with the building commissioner to determine whether the exemption has been violated and permitting is now necessary.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Structural engineer documentation for 441 Townsend Harbor Road roof overhang: “the commission did request documentation from a structural engineer be added to the file to address the disposition of the roofs overhang.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Public comment by Andrea Adams and Allan Foster: “allan foster appeared before the commission and reviewed the history of the property.”

Compared 2026-10-17. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 2:05:30123 Hollis Road upkeep

    The agent asked the commission to ratify spending for pest control and septic pumping. He said there is no specific Hollis Road budget line, and a full rehab is planned as one large item.

    as heard:six hundred dollarseight hundred dollars

  2. ▶ 2:22:58Fine for further silt events at 615 Townsend Street

    A member proposed a daily fine on the landowner if silt again reaches Page Pond without remediation in place.

    as heard:300 a day

  3. ▶ 2:09:07Trails grant

    The state extended the existing trails grant, and a new recreational trails grant application was planned for a cart path at 260 Howard Street.

    as heard:december of 2022

  4. ▶ 50:34Elevator cost

    A member mentioned in passing that a home elevator can be installed for a certain cost.

    as heard:40 000

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 52:5841 Country Lane continued to December 1 so the applicant can reorient the house and tanks and consider tree replacement.
  • ▶ 1:59:06101 Pleasant Street continued to December 1. The applicant is to stake the driveway, house corners, septics and replication area, and a site walk is set for the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
  • ▶ 2:36:40The commission agreed to wait two weeks for Casey's review before deciding whether to require a wetland specialist at 615 Townsend Street.
  • ▶ 2:23:19Written notice to the landowner will state that further silt reaching Page Pond will draw a daily fine, and any further instructions to him will be in writing.
  • ▶ 2:10:09A site walk on Saturday, November 27 will cover 101 Pleasant Street, 260 Howard Street and 441 Townsend Harbor Road.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Notice of Intent by Jeffery Landry, installation of a tight tank at 1078 Lancaster Ave.
  • Notice of Intent by Kevin Hill, single family home at 41 Country Lane
  • Request for a Determination by Matthew Butterworth, shed at 188 Whalom Road
  • Request for a Determination by Randy and Jacqueline Leblanc, shed at 1390 Lancaster Ave.
  • Request for a Determination by Bryan miner, 35 Peninsula Drive
  • Request for a Determination by Ray Clouthier, 37 Pearl Street
  • Notice of Intent by Proctor Masonry, 203 Fire Road 16
  • Notice of Intent by MA Pleasant LLC, 101 Pleasant Street
  • Letter by Andrea Adams on the 101 Pleasant Street development
  • Photographs of three trees to be removed (presented by MM)
  • Picture provided by JV showing the original walkway (37 Pearl Street)

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 5:34the plan for 10.78 tight tankplan or drawing, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Notice of Intent by Jeffery Landry, installation of a tight tank at 1078 Lancaster Ave.”)
  • ▶ 10:49Site plan for 41 Country Laneplan or drawing, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Notice of Intent by Kevin Hill, single family home at 41 Country Lane”)
  • ▶ 1:01:50Plan and email for 35 Peninsula Driveletter or email, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Request for a Determination by Bryan miner, 35 Peninsula Drive”)
  • ▶ 1:57:24Comment letter of June 14letter or email· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:01:10Chapter 61A releaseother, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 2:17:27Attorney letter on 615 Townsend Streetletter or email, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Letter by Andrea Adams on the 101 Pleasant Street development”)
  • ▶ 2:25:24Stormwater handbookreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 2:50Thanked the commission for its work on the 101 Pleasant Street project. Said the applicant's consultants first contacted her in April and she had advised a smaller project. — Andrea Adams, as heard, former planning professional
  2. ▶ 47:10Suggested design alternatives for the 41 Country Lane house, such as tucking the garage under or putting auxiliary rooms upstairs, to shorten the footprint while keeping single-floor living. — Andrea Adams, as heard
  3. ▶ 1:20:07Asked the 35 Peninsula Drive applicants about side setbacks and endorsed rearranging the layout. — Andrea Adams, as heard
  4. ▶ 1:57:03Directed the board and the applicant to her June 14 comment letter on 101 Pleasant Street. It covered wetland crossings, monitoring of replication by a qualified person, and a clerk of the works. — Andrea Adams, as heard
  5. ▶ 2:28:49Thanked the commission for acting on 615 Townsend Street. Said the violations have run six years, stockpiles have grown, and the attorney recommended a separate wetland scientist and peer review. — Alan Foster, as heard, neighbor

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:39Open meeting law notice and roll callinformational · 2:11 long
  2. ▶ 2:50Public commentinformational · 1:44 long · public comment
  3. ▶ 4:34Tight tank at 10.78 (waterfront lot)voted · 5:33 long · planning and zoning, water sewer
  4. ▶ 10:0741 Country Lane single-family homecontinued to December 1 · 43:36 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 53:43188 Whalen Road shed (applicant absent)continued · 1:23 long · planning and zoning
  6. ▶ 55:061390 Lancaster Ave garagevoted · 6:20 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 1:01:2635 Peninsula Drive screen porch and additionvoted · 21:29 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 1:22:5537 Pearl footpath, regrading and screen housevoted · 12:58 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 1:35:53203 Fire Road 16 retaining wallstreated as already approved · 1:46 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 1:37:39101 Pleasant Street subdivisioncontinued to December 1 · 23:11 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 2:01:10Chapter 61A releasevoted · 3:40 long · planning and zoning, housing
  12. ▶ 2:04:50Trail planning, 123 Hollis Road expensesvoted · 6:40 long · recreation, grants
  13. ▶ 2:11:30Enforcement updates and beaver dam emergencyvoted · 3:10 long · legal, public safety
  14. ▶ 2:14:44615 Townsend Street silt and violationsvoted · 23:16 long · legal, planning and zoning
  15. ▶ 2:38:00Communications and commissioner reportsinformational · 3:30 long
  16. ▶ 2:41:30441 Townsend Harbor Road roof and cleanupsite walk scheduled · 20:10 long · planning and zoning
  17. ▶ 3:02:04Administrator's determination for tree removalvoted · 3:58 long · planning and zoning

What the captions could not carry

  • Whether the roll call on the 123 Hollis Road expenditures passed was only partly audible.
  • The 41 Country Lane applicant's connection dropped several times, so some answers are missing.
  • Some roll call votes are only partly captured, with a member's response or the full tally missing.

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