What was said

Conservation Commission, December 1, 2021

the recording · 4:00 long, about 30,359 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:23:36The Conservation Commission continued four notice-of-intent and request-for-determination hearings to December 15 because no DEP file numbers had been issued.
  2. ▶ 17:55The Commission approved the Snow Riders' small town forest trail improvement proposal on a roll call vote.
  3. ▶ 3:49:55Minor field changes at 36 Peninsula Drive and 141 Hemlock were approved, as was a certificate of compliance for 50 Page Street.
  4. ▶ 2:59:36At 441, the applicant was asked for an engineer's letter on cutting back the roof and a plan to naturalize part of the lakefront; the septic stop-work order was lifted.
  5. ▶ 3:39:47On the unauthorized tree cutting, the Commission allowed one remaining pine to be removed after a call to the administrator, with a replacement planting plan to follow.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Projects on the lakefront and Peninsula Drive stay unapproved until DEP numbers arrive, so owners and neighbors wait through at least another meeting.
  • Enforcement at 441 and the tree cutting shows how the Commission handles work done outside a permit: remedies such as plantings and engineering review, decided case by case at open meetings.

Watch next

  • The December 15 meeting, where the continued hearings return and the 441 engineer's letter and shoreline plan are due; attendance for a quorum was raised.
  • The bylaw review committee request, which the chair said would go on a future agenda.

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Present: Rich Bursh (chair) (chair); Jeff Viviano (member); Patty Adams (member); Mike Larouche (member); Jack Rabbit (member); Matt Murrell (Matt Proctor/Matt Morrow as heard) (conservation administrator); Katie Childs (member (absent)); Bob (presiding at times / former chairman). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 17:55Approve the Snow Riders' small town forest trail improvement proposal.passed (roll call, all members voting aye as heard)
  2. ▶ 24:42Approve minor field change for 36 Peninsula Drive.passed (roll call, ayes heard)
  3. ▶ 31:41Approve field change at 141 Hemlock (deck added, house moved back).passed (roll call, ayes heard)
  4. ▶ 43:51Continue 524 Northfield Road hearing for lack of a DEP number to January 5th.passed (roll call, ayes heard)
  5. ▶ 47:14Revote to continue 524 Northfield Road to December 15th instead.passed (roll call, ayes heard)
  6. ▶ 1:22:33Continue 445 Hickory Harbor Road hearing to December 15th. — moved by Jeff Viviano, as heardpassed (roll call, ayes heard)
  7. ▶ 1:34:08Continue 169 Peninsula Drive hearing to December 15th. — moved by Richard Bursch, as heardpassed (roll call, ayes heard)
  8. ▶ 1:35:33Continue 188 Whalen Road request for determination to December 15th.passed (roll call, ayes heard)
  9. ▶ 2:09:36Continue 41 Country Lane hearing to December 15th. — moved by Richard Bursch, as heardpassed (roll call, ayes heard)
  10. ▶ 3:49:55Approve certificate of compliance for 50 Page Street.passed (roll call, ayes heard)
  11. ▶ 3:58:52Lift the stop work order on the septic system portion of 441.passed (roll call, ayes heard)

And 2 procedural: accept the minutes of october 20th. (▶ 18:57); adjourn. (▶ 3:59:12).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 9 agree, 6 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 5 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a partial record.

  1. differs524 Northfield Road continuance date▶ 47:14

    recording Continue 524 Northfield Road hearing for lack of a DEP number to January 5th. — passed; then Revote to continue 524 Northfield Road to December 15th instead. — passed

    town’s minutes “the meeting was continued to the january 5, 2022 meeting due to the lack of a dep number by a motion of by rb with a second by pa”

    Ours records a second vote moving the hearing to December 15; the official minutes record only January 5, 2022. Check the recording around t=2834 and the posted agenda for the next meeting.

  2. differs101 Pleasant Street continuance vote

    recording —

    town’s minutes “unanimous roll call vote to continue to january 5, 2022”

    The official minutes record a vote continuing the 101 Pleasant Street (MA Pleasant LLC) hearing to January 5, 2022; ours has no such vote. Check whether the recording has it or the captions missed it.

  3. differs524 Northfield / 445 / 169 continued to Dec 15 pending DEP numbers▶ 1:23:36

    recording Notices of intent at 524 Northfield, 445 Hickory Harbor and 169 Peninsula Drive continued to December 15th pending DEP file numbers.

    town’s minutes “the meeting was continued to the january 5, 2022 meeting due to the lack of a dep number by a motion of by rb with a second by pa”

    For 524 Northfield the official minutes say January 5, not December 15; the other two match.

  4. differs441 next steps: engineer's letter and naturalizing plan▶ 2:59:36

    recording For 441, applicant to bring an engineer's letter on whether the roof can be cut back and a plan naturalizing about 65 percent of the lakefront; commission to consider at the next meeting.

    town’s minutes —

    The excerpt of the official minutes records no engineer's letter or naturalization requirement for 441. Check the full official text and the recording.

  5. differsWho chaired the meeting▶ 0:00

    recording Rich Bursh (chair) (chair); Bob (presiding at times / former chairman)

    town’s minutes “meeting called to order at 7 pm by bp with all members present except cc”

    Official minutes have Bob Pease as chair and Richard Bursch as vice chair; ours labels Bursh as chair. Check the recording for who presided.

6 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • 445 Townsend Harbor Road continuance to Dec 15:Continue 445 Hickory Harbor Road hearing to December 15th. — passed (roll call, ayes heard)→445 Townsend Harbor Road▶ 1:22:33
  • 160 Peninsula Drive continuance to Dec 15:Continue 169 Peninsula Drive hearing to December 15th. — passed (roll call, ayes heard)→160 Peninsula Drive▶ 1:34:08
  • 188 Whalom Road continuance to Dec 15:Continue 188 Whalen Road request for determination to December 15th. — passed (roll call, ayes heard)→188 Whalom Road▶ 1:35:33
  • Semerjian planting plan / work notification:Submergions may have the remaining totem-pole pine removed, provided the tree cutter calls the administrator first; a replacement planting plan to be developed with the administrator.→Semerjian▶ 3:39:47
  • Members' names:Jeff Viviano (member); Patty Adams (member); Mike Larouche (member); Jack Rabbit (member)→Jeffrey Viviano, Patricia Adams, Michael Larouche, Jack Rabbitt
  • Conservation administrator name:Matt Murrell (Matt Proctor/Matt Morrow as heard) (conservation administrator)→Matthew S. Marro
In one record only: 2 from the recording, 1 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Snow Riders trail work labor estimate: Snow Riders trail work labor estimate: 20 minutes per sump, 24 sumps per day, 48 sumps, 15 minutes, 32 subs per day, 64 stumps ▶ 14:28
  • Recording only — 441 roof removal and owner cost figures: Cost of removing the roof at 441: tens of thousands of dollars, 300 square feet; Owner's storage and lake dues costs: 270 dollars a month, 2 300 ▶ 2:30:52
  • Town’s minutes only — Applicants, representatives and public attendees: “mary wilson from the lunenburg trail riders appeared before the commission proposing trail improvements for the small town forest.”

Compared 2026-10-17. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 14:28Snow Riders trail work labor estimate

    Volunteers estimated stump grinding and pulling over a two man-day period, based on minutes per stump. No dollar cost given.

    as heard:20 minutes per sump24 sumps per day48 sumps15 minutes32 subs per day64 stumps

  2. ▶ 2:30:52Cost of removing the roof at 441

    A commissioner noted removing the roof would cost tens of thousands of dollars; the applicant's contractor later said the roof is a small area.

    as heard:tens of thousands of dollars300 square feet

  3. ▶ 2:51:19Owner's storage and lake dues costs

    Owner described storage fees rising and paying back lake dues while out of pocket.

    as heard:270 dollars a month2 300

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 1:23:36Notices of intent at 524 Northfield, 445 Hickory Harbor and 169 Peninsula Drive continued to December 15th pending DEP file numbers.
  • ▶ 2:02:33Applicant at 41 Country Lane asked to submit schematic alternatives of house/garage placement before the next meeting after a straw poll of commissioners.
  • ▶ 2:59:36For 441, applicant to bring an engineer's letter on whether the roof can be cut back and a plan naturalizing about 65 percent of the lakefront; commission to consider at the next meeting.
  • ▶ 3:39:47Submergions may have the remaining totem-pole pine removed, provided the tree cutter calls the administrator first; a replacement planting plan to be developed with the administrator.
  • ▶ 3:47:27Chair to put QR codes for the land use rules on trail kiosks, and bylaw review committee request to be placed on a future agenda.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • Notice of Intent by Mark Brightman, 524 Northfield Road
  • Notice of Intent by William Emkey, 445 Townsend Harbor Road
  • Notice of Intent by Eric and Linda Vickery, 160 Peninsula Drive
  • Request for a Determination by Matthew Butterworth, 188 Whalom Road
  • Notice of Intent by Kevin Hill, 41 Country Lane
  • Notice of Intent by MA Pleasant LLC, 101 Pleasant Street
  • Certificates of Compliance, 50 Page Street Lot 1, DEP number 208-1205
  • By Law review Committee Communication
  • Original tree replanting plan, 441 Townsend Harbor Road
  • Pre-existing conditions photos, 441 Townsend Harbor Road
  • Demolition permit cited by the applicant, 441 Townsend Harbor Road
  • Files and drawings submitted by Amy Semerjian, 190 Peninsula Drive
  • Kiosk plans (trails grant)

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 33:25revised plan on the cloud for 524 Northfield Roadplan or drawing, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Notice of Intent by Mark Brightman, 524 Northfield Road”)
  • ▶ 21:06letter and plans for 36 Peninsula Driveletter or email, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Files and drawings submitted by Amy Semerjian, 190 Peninsula Drive”)
  • ▶ 1:25:44169 Peninsula Drive plan and PowerPointplan or drawing, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Files and drawings submitted by Amy Semerjian, 190 Peninsula Drive”)
  • ▶ 3:35:33tree cutting application and email exchangeapplication or permit, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 18:57minutes of October 20thprior minutes· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
  • ▶ 3:47:47letter from the bylaw review committeeletter or email· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“By Law review Committee Communication”)

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 7:54Thanked the commission for kiosk acknowledgement and presented proposed trail improvements and stump removal in the Small Town Forest. — Mary Wilson, as heard, representing the Lunenburg Snow Riders
  2. ▶ 2:32:18Homeowner Nick described financial hardship, storage costs and a rebuilt house after trees fell, and asked for help to get back into his home.
  3. ▶ 3:17:17Son of Harry Submergion spoke on his father's behalf about trees cut beyond the approved number and asked how to resolve it with the commission and Hickory Hills.
  4. ▶ 3:29:39Daughter (Amy) explained her father's confusion and lack of malice in the tree cutting, and offered to help him communicate.
  5. ▶ 3:53:19Resident asked whether the Mackey's parking lot culvert replacement would use up-to-date sizing instead of 50-year-old standards.
  6. ▶ 3:56:08Nick asked whether the septic installation at 441 could proceed despite the stop work order before the ground froze.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:05Zoom recording permission technical difficultiesresolved · 3:58 long
  2. ▶ 4:03Call to order, roll call, announcements, December 15 attendanceinformational · 3:51 long
  3. ▶ 7:54Snow Riders small town forest trail improvement proposalvoted · 10:43 long · recreation, public comment
  4. ▶ 18:37Approval of minutesvoted · 1:23 long
  5. ▶ 20:0036 Peninsula Drive minor field changevoted · 5:44 long · planning and zoning
  6. ▶ 25:44141 Hemlock field changevoted · 6:58 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 32:42524 Northfield Road septic and pool removal NOIcontinued · 15:15 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 47:57445 Hickory Harbor Road retaining wall and erosion NOIcontinued · 36:25 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 1:24:22169 Peninsula Drive wall and dock NOIcontinued · 10:27 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 1:34:49188 Whalen Road shed RDAcontinued · 1:25 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 1:36:1441 Country Lane single-family home NOI and straw pollcontinued · 34:44 long · planning and zoning, housing
  12. ▶ 2:10:58441 enforcement: roof overhang in no-disturb zoneengineer letter and shoreline plan requested · 1:06:19 long · planning and zoning, legal
  13. ▶ 3:17:17Submergion enforcement: unauthorized tree cuttingreplanting plan and permission for one tree removal · 25:38 long · planning and zoning, legal
  14. ▶ 3:42:55Enforcement updates, kiosks, bylaw review, certificate of compliance for 50 Page Streetvoted · 7:41 long · planning and zoning
  15. ▶ 3:50:36Mackey's parking lot culvert replacement, septic stop-work lift, adjournmentvoted · 9:17 long · planning and zoning, public comment

What the captions could not carry

  • Name of the 36 Peninsula Drive applicant was heard as 'jerry'; owner names are garbled throughout.
  • Exact numbering of the 441 address (441 Hickory Harbor / 4 45) is inconsistent in captions.
  • Roll call counts are given as individual ayes; Katie Childs absent.
  • Whether Mike Larouche's vote was captured at 1921 (video froze).

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