What was said

Conservation Commission, July 20, 2022

the recording · 3:59 long, about 26,174 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 3:08:58The Conservation Commission approved the Hickory Hills Lake order of conditions after a long line-by-line review.
  2. ▶ 3:12:05The commission approved herbicide treatment of Little Hickory, and earlier approved the Lake Shirley weed treatment plan.
  3. ▶ 43:53Four McSweeney house filings on Northfield Road and Holman Street were continued to August 3 until a new wetlands delineation with field notes is supplied.
  4. ▶ 3:31:51The commission voted to ask the select board to consider litigation over encroachments at 104 and 116 Woodland Drive.
  5. ▶ 1:27:17The Haas driveway filing on Townsend Harbor Road was continued to August 17 after an abutter raised runoff and vegetation concerns.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The Hickory Hills order sets the monitoring and treatment conditions for a lake's five-year management plan, which affects lake users and abutters.
  • The Woodland Drive request moves a possible enforcement dispute over buffer encroachments to the select board, which could be asked to authorize legal action.

Watch next

  • August 3 continued hearings: four McSweeney filings and two Proctor filings, with the new wetlands delineation
  • August 17 continued hearing on the Haas driveway filing

grantslegalplanning and zoningpublic commentrecreationtown departments

Present: Bob Pease (chair, remote); Jeff Viviano (member, remote); Patty Adams (member, remote); Katie Childs (member, remote); Mike Larouche (member, remote); Mary Wilson (member, remote); Richard Tremblay (associate member, remote); Nadia Madden (conservation administrator, remote); Rich Bursch (member (absent)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 15:54Approve Lake Shirley treatment planpassed (roll call, all yes heard)
  2. ▶ 19:20Negative determination for the floating dock RDA at 238 Fire Road 16passed (roll call, all yes heard)
  3. ▶ 26:33Negative determination for 55 Maple Parkway septic RDA, with wattles at or beyond the 30-foot no-disturb linepassed (roll call, all yes heard)
  4. ▶ 44:36Continue Lot 5 Northfield Road NOI to August 3passed (roll call, all yes heard)
  5. ▶ 53:42Continue Lot 3 Holman Street NOI to August 3passed (roll call, all yes heard)
  6. ▶ 1:00:24Continue Lot A Northfield Road well NOI to August 3 with request for fuller delineation methodologypassed (roll call, all yes heard)
  7. ▶ 1:04:19Continue Lot 4 Holman Street NOI to August 3passed (roll call, all yes heard)
  8. ▶ 1:27:17Continue Haas driveway RDA at 509 Townsend Harbor Road to August 17passed (roll call, all yes heard)
  9. ▶ 1:29:21Continue Proctor patio NOI, 172 Peninsula Drive, to August 3passed (roll call, all yes heard)
  10. ▶ 1:33:31Continue Proctor retaining wall NOI, 207 Fire Road 16, to August 3passed (roll call, all yes heard)
  11. ▶ 3:08:58Approve the Hickory Hills Lake order of conditionspassed (roll call, all yes heard)
  12. ▶ 3:12:05Approve herbicide treatment of Little Hickory (diquat plus low-dose copper algaecide)passed (roll call, all yes heard)
  13. ▶ 3:31:51Request that the select board consider litigation over encroachments at 104 and 116 Woodland Drivepassed (roll call, all yes heard)
  14. ▶ 3:36:40Approve certificate of compliance for 68 Laurel Lanepassed (roll call, all yes heard)
  15. ▶ 3:38:20Approve administrative determination for tree removal on Lizard Islandpassed (roll call, all yes heard)

And 2 procedural: approve minutes of june 15th (▶ 2:40); adjourn (▶ 3:59:15).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 17 agree, 0 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 2 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsSelect Board litigation request on encroachments▶ 3:31:51

    recording Request that the select board consider litigation over encroachments at 104 and 116 Woodland Drive — passed (roll call, all yes heard)

    town’s minutes “cc moved/pa seconded to ask the select board to consider litigation on the encroachment on these two properties”

    Ours says it passed by roll call; the official records the motion with no outcome and lists three addresses (adds 192 Townsend Harbor Road). Check the recording for the vote and the properties.

  2. differsField change at 238 Fire Road 16▶ 3:25:00

    recording Field change at 238 Fire Road 16 to use the New England wildlife conservation mix, not clover.

    town’s minutes “commission rejected request for field change.”

    Ours describes a field change with a substitute seed mix; the official says the request (clover sod) was rejected and records no alternative. Check whether the mix was approved or the request denied.

In one record only: 3 from the recording, 6 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — McSweeney NOIs held pending new delineation: Four McSweeney NOIs held until a new wetlands delineation with field notes is supplied; applicant urged to check eligibility of the consultant named. ▶ 43:53
  • Recording only — Newspaper notice dropped from Hickory Hills conditions: Commission agreed to drop the local newspaper notice requirement from the Hickory Hills conditions. ▶ 1:52:50
  • Recording only — Generic algae monitoring language: Algae monitoring language to be made generic, tied to the lake management plan, rather than detailed in conditions. ▶ 2:53:35
  • Town’s minutes only — Election of officers deferred: “bp recommended that waiting to vote on this item”
  • Town’s minutes only — Revolving fund budgets requested by Treasurer: “nm noted that the treasurer has asked the conscomm to create budgets for the revolving funds”
  • Town’s minutes only — Hollis Road reimbursement: “he is still working with the tenant for reimbursement so that it meets town accounting”
  • Town’s minutes only — Ethics-rule check for commissioner-related applicant: “bp asked that al ensure that mm can come before the commission per state ethics rules.”
  • Town’s minutes only — 23 Cove Road enforcement order and draft OOC sharing: “eo 23 cove road - nm to visit site and review existing enforcement orders and determine next steps.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Non-member attendees and speakers: “town attorney adam costa said the next step would be litigation”

Compared 2026-10-16. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 3:35:18Conservation revolving accounts

    The administrator suggested developing budgets for the revolving accounts so reimbursements can be processed through the accounting system rather than by the town accountant.

  2. ▶ 3:33:14123 Hollis Road repairs

    A member is getting window and sliding door replacement quotes and working with the tenant to document expenses for reimbursement.

  3. ▶ 2:19:19Lake treatment chemical costs

    Hickory Hills noted a cost to newspaper notices and asked that they be dropped.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 43:53Four McSweeney NOIs held until a new wetlands delineation with field notes is supplied; applicant urged to check eligibility of the consultant named.
  • ▶ 1:52:50Commission agreed to drop the local newspaper notice requirement from the Hickory Hills conditions.
  • ▶ 2:53:35Algae monitoring language to be made generic, tied to the lake management plan, rather than detailed in conditions.
  • ▶ 3:25:00Field change at 238 Fire Road 16 to use the New England wildlife conservation mix, not clover.
  • ▶ 3:27:19Chair to consult the land use director before the commission considers a donation of land at 360 New West Townsend Road.
  • ▶ 3:54:53Commission to visit 411 Goodrich Street during site visits around July 30; timing to be arranged by email.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print a list, headed dominic meringolo from solitude lake management presented the lake shirley pre-treatment survey:

  • Lake Shirley pre-treatment survey, survey map and treatment plan, revised July 18th
  • DEP comments on the 207 Fire Road 16 filing (DEP # 208-1267)
  • 2022 plant survey and treatment recommendations from ESS for Little Hickory
  • Additional measurements and before photos (509 Townsend Harbor Road)
  • Photos from abutter Sue Petralia, 549 Townsend Harbor Road

Named in the running text, not in a list:

  • 2023 treatment plan for Lake Shirley
  • Request for Determination of Applicability by Arthur Magurn, floating dock, 238 Fire Road #16
  • Request for Determination of Applicability by Daisy Joanne LLC, septic repair, 55 Maple Parkway
  • Notice of Intent DEP # 208-1261, Lot 5 Northfield Road (Ed McSweeney)
  • Notice of Intent DEP # 208-1262, Lot 3 Holman St (Ed McSweeney)
  • Notice of Intent DEP # 208-1263, Lot A Northfield Road (Ed McSweeney)
  • Notice of Intent DEP # 208-1264, Lot 4 Holman St (Ed McSweeney)
  • Request for Determination of Applicability by Brian Haas, driveway paving, 509 Townsend Harbor Road
  • Notice of Intent by Matthew Proctor, permeable paver patio, 172 Peninsula Drive
  • Notice of Intent by Matthew Proctor, retaining wall, 207 Fire Road 16 (DEP # 208-1267)
  • Notice of Intent by Hickory Hills Association, whole lake management plan, Hickory Hills Lake
  • Draft order of conditions, Hickory Hills Lake
  • Ross Plan L-14083
  • MassDEP GEIR (drawdown guidance)
  • HHLI drawdown monitoring plan
  • Letters from the town attorney to encroachment property owners
  • Additional plans from Hannigan Engineering, 509 Townsend Harbor Road
  • Request for field change, 238 Fire Road #16 Order of Conditions (DEP SOC # 208-1189)
  • Enforcement order, 411 Goodrich St (David Blatt)
  • Enforcement order, 23 Cove Road
  • Certificate of Compliance, 68 Laurel Lane (DEP #208-0812)

Heard in the recording

  • ▶ 4:59pre-treatment survey report and treatment plan dated July 12th revised July 18threport, shown· in the minutes’ list (“Lake Shirley pre-treatment survey, survey map and treatment plan, revised July 18th”)
  • ▶ 1:34:11draft order of conditions for Hickory Hillsdraft policy or bylaw, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Draft order of conditions, Hickory Hills Lake”)
  • ▶ 1:35:12Hickory Hills lake management plan and addendumplan or drawing, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Notice of Intent by Hickory Hills Association, whole lake management plan, Hickory Hills Lake”)
  • ▶ 39:28DEP commentsletter or email· in the minutes’ list (“DEP comments on the 207 Fire Road 16 filing (DEP # 208-1267)”)
  • ▶ 2:29minutes of June 15thprior minutes· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: 2022 plant survey and treatment recommendations from ESS for Little Hickory; Additional measurements and before photos (509 Townsend Harbor Road); Photos from abutter Sue Petralia, 549 Townsend Harbor Road.

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 13:30Asked whether public notice of the Lake Shirley treatment had gone out, and whether weekly data is provided. — John Fortune, as heard, resident, 50 Hemlock Drive
  2. ▶ 1:16:40Said the Haas driveway extends onto her land, with concerns about runoff to the marsh and removal of vegetation. — Sue Trillia, as heard, abutter, 545 Townsend Harbor Road
  3. ▶ 1:38:18Hickory Hills representatives (Paula Bertram, John, Nicole Waters) commented on the draft order of conditions: monitoring frequency, newspaper notice, fan wort treatment speed, diver-assisted suction harvesting.
  4. ▶ 3:45:19Asked what remediation is required in the 30-foot buffer and said he was never notified of earlier hearings. — Dave Blatt, as heard, homeowner, 411 Goodrich Street

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:00Opening, roll call, minutesvoted · 3:30 long
  2. ▶ 3:30Lake Shirley survey and treatment planvoted · 13:10 long · recreation, public comment
  3. ▶ 16:40RDAs: floating dock and Maple Parkway septicvoted · 11:00 long · planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 27:40McSweeney Northfield Road and Holman Street NOIscontinued to August 3 · 39:00 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 1:06:47Haas driveway RDA, Townsend Harbor Roadcontinued to August 17 · 21:10 long · planning and zoning, public comment
  6. ▶ 1:27:57Proctor Peninsula Drive and Fire Road 16 NOIscontinued · 5:54 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 1:33:51Hickory Hills Lake management plan and order of conditionsvoted · 1:41:09 long · recreation, public comment, legal
  8. ▶ 3:15:00Officers election and Fire Road field changedeferred / decided · 11:40 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 3:25:32Land donation at 360 New West Townsend Roadreferred to land use director · 6:19 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 3:29:24Woodland Drive encroachmentsvoted · 3:08 long · legal
  11. ▶ 3:32:32Hollis Road, revolving accounts, certificate of compliance, Lizard Islandvoted · 6:34 long · town departments
  12. ▶ 3:39:06Enforcement items and Goodrich Streetsite visit to be arranged · 20:09 long · legal, public comment
  13. ▶ 3:59:15Adjournmentvoted · 0:45 long

What the captions could not carry

  • Individual roll-call responses are partly garbled; unanimous yes is inferred from the sequence of 'hi' responses, not stated counts.
  • Who made or seconded several motions is unclear.

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