What was said

Conservation Commission, January 4, 2023

the recording · 1:52 long, about 13,150 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 38:02In a straw poll, all six voting commissioners favored requiring the water district to file a Request for Determination of Applicability for the Hickory Hills well discharge; no formal vote was taken.
  2. ▶ 38:02The poll did not waive notice to abutters within 300 feet, after the water district chair asked to limit it.
  3. ▶ 1:14:34The Commission opened the notice of intent hearing for 406 Sunset Lane and voted to continue it to January 18 at 7 pm.
  4. ▶ 1:15:35The Commission elected a chair, vice chair and clerk, each by roll call with all aye as heard.
  5. ▶ 1:21:15It voted to have the town attorney send letters to four landowners about possible encroachments on conservation land.

Why it matters — our reading

  • A water district discharge into a stream that feeds Hickory Hills Lake will go through the same wetlands filing that residents face, and neighbors within 300 feet are to be notified, which touches the lake's water quality.
  • The filing and notice costs were argued over as a burden on the district and its ratepayers, so they may reach water bills, though the minutes give no amount.

Watch next

  • January 18 at 7 pm: the continued 406 Sunset Lane hearing.
  • Next meeting: a vote on engineering quotes for trail and parking grant planning work.

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Present: Bob Pisa / Bob Pease (chair (recused on Hickory Hills well)); Mary Wilson (member, acting chair during well discussion, elected vice chair); Rich Burch / Rich purse (member); Jeff Viviano (member); Katie Childs (member); Mike Larose / Larouche (member); Richard Tremblay (member, elected clerk); Anna (conservation agent); Greg Roy (presenter, Dillison Roy Civil Design Group, for applicant); Mark Burch (presenter, chairman of board of water commissioners). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 1:14:34Continue the 406 Sunset Lane hearing to January 18 at 7 pm — moved by Katie, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye as heard)
  2. ▶ 1:15:35Elect Bob Pease chairpassed (roll call, all aye as heard)
  3. ▶ 1:16:35Elect Mary Wilson vice chair — moved by Richard, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye as heard)
  4. ▶ 1:17:41Elect Richard Tremblay clerkpassed (roll call, all aye as heard)
  5. ▶ 1:21:15Ask town attorney to send letters to four landowners about possible encroachments — moved by Richard, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye as heard)
  6. ▶ 1:33:09Approve administrative determination for tree trimming at 70 Pine Grove Road — moved by Rich, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye as heard)
  7. ▶ 1:39:00Approve administrative determination for tree removal at 338 Sunset Lanepassed (roll call, all aye as heard)
  8. ▶ 1:48:27Approve amendment to forest cutting plan for alternate access and landing, Northfield Roadpassed (roll call, all aye as heard)

And 3 procedural: approve minutes of december 7 (▶ 38:24); approve minutes of december 21 (▶ 39:05); adjourn (▶ 1:51:15).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 11 agree, 7 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 2 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differs338 Sunset Lane tree removal vote: recusal▶ 1:39:00

    recording Approve administrative determination for tree removal at 338 Sunset Lane — passed (roll call, all aye as heard)

    town’s minutes “rb/cc m/s to approve administrative determination at 338 sunset lane. roll call vote, unanimous to approve with jv recused.”

    The official minutes record JV recused; our minutes do not mention it. Check the recording's roll call to see whether Viviano abstained or recused.

  2. differs$2,200 timber overrun: which site▶ 1:46:22

    recording Timber sale overrun, Hollis Road: 2200 overrun, two thousand two hundred dollars

    town’s minutes “gary goldrup stated at this meeting that there was a $2200 overrun of product.”

    The amount agrees, but ours places the overrun at Hollis Road and the official summary places it at the Northfield site (King Loggers). Check the recording for the site.

7 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Administrative determination street name, tree trimming:Approve administrative determination for tree trimming at 70 Pine Grove Road — passed (roll call, all aye as heard)→70 Pine Hill Road▶ 1:33:09
  • Attendee: chair name:Bob Pisa / Bob Pease (chair (recused on Hickory Hills well))→Bob Pease
  • Attendee: Richard Bursch:Rich Burch / Rich purse (member)→Richard Bursch
  • Attendee: Catie Childs:Katie Childs (member)→Catie Childs
  • Attendee: Michael Larouche:Mike Larose / Larouche (member)→Michael Larouche
  • Attendee: Mark Bursch, water commissioners:Mark Burch (presenter, chairman of board of water commissioners)→Mark Bursch
  • Attendee: Anna Petrie, conservation agent:Anna (conservation agent)→Anna Petrie
In one record only: 4 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Timber sale net revenue figures: Timber sale net revenue: six thousand forty one dollars and thirty cents, a thousand dollars, 7 241.30 ▶ 1:49:56
  • Recording only — RDA filing and abutter notification costs: RDA filing cost for water district: a couple hundred dollars; RDA abutter notification cost: 300 plus residents ▶ 15:54
  • Recording only — 205 Sunset owners: timeline request: Agent to ask the 205 Sunset owners for a specific plan timeline by next meeting. ▶ 1:45:16
  • Recording only — Grant planning quotes: Quotes for grant planning work to be obtained for a vote at next meeting. ▶ 1:28:35
  • Town’s minutes only — Timber Rights Fund balance and expected receipts: “he said there is currently $21,061 in the timber rights fund and an expected $6,000 from the hawes harvest and expected $21,000 from the rayno harvest, minus gary goldrups fees, will be coming in.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Hollis Road revolving fund balance: “bp said the balance on the hollis road revolving fund is at $60,000.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Footbridge and wetland crossing proposal: “bp has asked greg roy to come up with this proposal.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Picnic area at Small Town Forest: “bp asks if that is an abandoned idea for the time being? mw confirms.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Other participants: John Fortune, Paula Bertram, Nancy Malady, Sam Welch: “john fortune of hickory hills landowners inc. states his presence in regards to the previous concerns of the well use controlled by lwd.”

Compared 2026-10-14. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 15:54RDA filing cost for water district

    Water commissioners' chair said an RDA would be costly to the district and residents; a commissioner said the filing fee and engineer time are small.

    as heard:a couple hundred dollars

  2. ▶ 25:02RDA abutter notification cost

    Water chair said notifying many residents is costly and asked to limit it; others said cost of doing business.

    as heard:300 plus residents

  3. ▶ 1:45:37Howard Street driveway permit and engineered plans

    Commission has already spent on engineered plans and asked the select board for funding to hire a contractor.

    as heard:eighteen hundred dollars

  4. ▶ 1:46:22Timber sale overrun, Hollis Road

    The forester reported the cut exceeded the estimate; the commission could not confirm the money was received by the town.

    as heard:2200 overruntwo thousand two hundred dollars

  5. ▶ 1:49:56Timber sale net revenue

    Original estimate recalled and forester fee deducted, giving an expected net.

    as heard:six thousand forty one dollars and thirty centsa thousand dollars7 241.30

  6. ▶ 1:24:45Grant engineering quotes

    Engineering quotes for trail/parking planning grant applications to be brought to next meeting for a vote.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 38:02By straw poll all six voting commissioners favored requiring the water district to file an RDA for the Hickory Hills well discharge; abutter notice within 300 feet not waived.
  • ▶ 1:08:02Straw poll on 406 Sunset Lane: members favorable subject to DEP comments, natural stone walls, runoff control, replanting plan, six trees, and construction schedule.
  • ▶ 1:45:16Agent to ask the 205 Sunset owners for a specific plan timeline by next meeting.
  • ▶ 1:28:35Quotes for grant planning work to be obtained for a vote at next meeting.
  • ▶ 1:47:03Agent to contact the town treasurer about the timber overrun check.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 7:53Showed photos of erosion and a stream where the water district discharges well water; asked that the same rules apply to the district as to residents. — John Fortune, as heard, resident, 50 Hemlock Drive
  2. ▶ 14:11Described past practice of working with the agent, iron/manganese/PFAS testing, and cost of an RDA; asked to waive abutter notice. — Mark Burch, as heard, chairman of the board of water commissioners
  3. ▶ 22:52Said RDAs are required within 100 feet of wetlands for any entity and urged no waiver of abutter notification. — a speaker, resident (Paula Bertram, as addressed)

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:13Recusal, setup, chatter, opening and roll callinformational · 7:37 long
  2. ▶ 7:53Hickory Hills well discharge and RDA requirementstraw poll directed RDA filing · 30:31 long · water sewer, public comment, planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 38:24Approval of minutesvoted · 1:25 long
  4. ▶ 39:49406 Sunset Lane notice of intent hearingcontinued to January 18 · 35:25 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 1:15:35Election of officersvoted · 3:50 long · elections
  6. ▶ 1:19:25Encroachments on conservation landvoted to have attorney send letters · 2:33 long · legal
  7. ▶ 1:21:58Grant applications updateinformational · 6:57 long · grants
  8. ▶ 1:29:15Hollis Road residenceinformational · 2:06 long · facilities
  9. ▶ 1:31:21Administrative determinations (70 Pine Grove, 338 Sunset)voted · 8:39 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 1:39:41Enforcement updatesinformational · 5:56 long · legal
  11. ▶ 1:45:37Howard Street driveway, timber sales, forest cutting planamendment voted · 5:38 long · budget, facilities
  12. ▶ 1:51:15Adjournmentvoted · 0:42 long

What the captions could not carry

  • Roll call counts are only given as individual ayes; some names mangled.
  • Brett Ramsden's audio failed; his input came via chat relayed by the chair.
  • Exact dollar figures are unreliable in captions.

These are ours, and they are not the record

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