What was said

Conservation Commission, November 15, 2023

the recording · 5:08 long, about 35,289 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda, an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:21:14The Conservation Commission continued most hearings, including 255 Sunny Hill Road, 171 Arbor Street and all three 20 Kilburn Street lots, to December 6.
  2. ▶ 8:51The commission approved a field change to pave a driveway at 441 Townsend Harbor Road, with straw wattles as the administrator recommended.
  3. ▶ 3:59:39A replacement retaining wall at 39 Island Road and a septic and well at 21 Fire Road 16 were approved, the latter with a silt fence added.
  4. ▶ 4:30:25Tree removal at 143 Island Road received a negative determination; tree removal at 39 Valley Road was found outside the commission's jurisdiction.
  5. ▶ 5:00:08Two certificates of compliance were approved and two were tabled for lack of recommendations; prior meeting minutes were also tabled.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Neighbors of the Sunny Hill Road, Arbor Street and Kilburn Street projects raised wet land, springs and drainage, and those concerns stay open until the December 6 hearings.
  • The commission described a staffing shortage that has put membership dues and handbook access on hold, which can slow how quickly wetland permits and compliance reviews move.

Watch next

  • December 6: the continued hearings for 255 Sunny Hill Road, 171 Arbor Street, 20 Kilburn Street and others resume, once DEP file numbers are issued.
  • A site walk at 255 Sunny Hill Road, to be arranged, with the applicant staking lines and providing tree information and drawings.

grantshiringlegalpersonnelplanning and zoningpublic comment

Present: Mary (chair) (chair); Bob peas (member); Rich Trembley (member); Jeff vivano (member); Mike larouche (member); Chris St Germaine (member); Ashley (part-time clerical support (mentioned, not present)); Greg Roy (presenter (Dillon Roy engineering)); Justin L Clair (presenter (McCarty engineering)); Brian maret (presenter (McCarty engineering)); Marissa Browning (presenter (Nashua River Watershed Association)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 8:51Approve field change for paving the driveway at 441 Townsend Harbor Road with straw wattles as recommended by the administrator — moved by Bob, as heardpassed (roll call, all members voting aye)
  2. ▶ 1:21:14Continue 255 Sunny Hill Road hearing to December 6 — moved by Mike larouche, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye)
  3. ▶ 1:45:39Continue 171 Arbor Street hearing to December 6 — moved by Bob, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye)
  4. ▶ 2:12:23Approve replacement retaining wall at 39 Island Road with wattles/straw bales around the silt fence — moved by Mike larouche, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye)
  5. ▶ 2:38:24Continue 20 Kilburn Street lot 1 request for determination to December 6passed (roll call, all aye)
  6. ▶ 3:04:02Continue 20 Kilburn Street lot 2 to December 6passed (roll call, all aye)
  7. ▶ 3:20:56Continue 20 Kilburn Street lot 3 to December 6 — moved by Mike larouche, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye)
  8. ▶ 3:43:18Continue 10 Sunset Avenue to December 6 — moved by Chris St Germain, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye)
  9. ▶ 3:48:42Continue 85 Chase Road to December 6 — moved by Chris St Germain, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye)
  10. ▶ 3:50:31Continue 390 Howard Street to December 6passed (roll call, all aye)
  11. ▶ 3:59:39Approve septic and well at 21 Fire Road 16 with silt fence added to standard order of conditionspassed (roll call, all aye)
  12. ▶ 4:30:25Negative determination for tree removal at 143 Island Road — moved by Rich Trembley, as heardpassed (roll call, all aye)
  13. ▶ 4:57:09Approve certificate of compliance for 386 Sunset Lanepassed (Rich Trembley recused, others aye)
  14. ▶ 4:58:56Approve certificate of compliance for 31 Cushing Plainpassed (roll call, all aye)

And 2 procedural: accept the june 7 minutes as written (▶ 1:57:57); adjourn (▶ 5:07:56).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 17 agree, 9 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 4 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differs39 Island Road retaining wall approval condition▶ 2:12:23

    recording Approve replacement retaining wall at 39 Island Road with wattles/straw bales around the silt fence — passed (roll call, all aye)

    town’s minutes “motion: mike l., second: chris s. to approve the application along with the addition of more straw bales.”

    Both record approval, but the condition is described differently (wattles/straw bales around silt fence vs. more straw bales); check the recording at this point for the exact condition.

  2. differs386 Sunset Lane certificate of compliance: who was present▶ 4:57:09

    recording Approve certificate of compliance for 386 Sunset Lane — passed (Rich Trembley recused, others aye)

    town’s minutes “motion: chris s., second: mike l. to approve the certificate of compliance. roll call vote: jeff, mike, chris, and mary - all aye.”

    Same outcome and recusal, but the official record adds that Bob left the meeting before this vote; ours says 'others aye', so check whether Bob voted.

  3. differs255 Sunny Hill Road site walk▶ 36:39

    recording Site walk for 255 Sunny Hill Road to be arranged offline; applicant to stake lines and provide tree information and drawings.

    town’s minutes “justin asked if the commission wanted to do a site walk before the next meeting and mary said she would.”

    Ours says the walk is arranged offline; the official says Mary will conduct it before the next meeting. Check the recording for who is doing it.

  4. differsAttendance of Richard Bursch (absent)▶ 0:00

    recording —

    town’s minutes “roll call: bp, rt, jv , ml, cs and mw absent: rb”

    Official records Richard Bursch absent; ours does not mention him, so check whether there were six members present.

9 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Fire Road address for septic/well approval with silt fence:Approve septic and well at 21 Fire Road 16 with silt fence added to standard order of conditions — passed (roll call, all aye)→201 Fire Road▶ 3:59:39
  • Attendee Bob Pease:Bob peas (member)→Bob Pease
  • Attendee Rich Tremblay:Rich Trembley (member)→Richard Tremblay
  • Attendee Jeff Viviano:Jeff vivano (member)→Jeffrey Viviano
  • Attendee Chris St. Germain:Chris St Germaine (member)→Chris St. Germain
  • Presenter Marissa Browning (NRWA):Marissa Browning (presenter (Nashua River Watershed Association))→Marisa Browning-Kamins
  • Presenter Justin LeClair (McCarty Engineering):Justin L Clair (presenter (McCarty engineering))→Justin LeClair
  • Presenter Brian Marchetti (McCarty Engineering):Brian maret (presenter (McCarty engineering))→Brian Marchetti
  • Presenter Greg Roy's firm:Greg Roy (presenter (Dillon Roy engineering))→Dillis & Roy
In one record only: 2 from the recording, 6 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Ashley, clerical support: Ashley (part-time clerical support (mentioned, not present))
  • Recording only — Leaning toward larger replacement trees at 143 Island Road: Commission leaned toward requiring larger replacement trees at 143 Island Road. ▶ 4:29:15
  • Town’s minutes only — Public commenters and abutters: “mike and debbie chapdelaine, 208 leominster rd.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Shawn Kelly estate title searches and town attorney: “bob sent an email to heather to use shawn kelly money to fund title searches for the 3 parcels”
  • Town’s minutes only — MACC memberships on hold: “macc memberships currently on hold due to staff shortage and ashleigh was not able to pay the bill.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Site walk at 171 Arbor Street: “she asked to do a site walk with their environmental scientist and brian agreed.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Hold on guidelines and 315 Lancaster Ave pending new administrator: “315 lancaster ave. - on hold pending the start of the new administrator.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Rich Tremblay's last meeting: “public comment: rich tremblay announced this is his last meeting.”

Compared 2026-10-09. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 11:01Riverbank restoration grant (NRWA)

    The grant covers supplies and labor for native plantings and manual invasive removal within 200 feet of waterways, targeted for spring.

  2. ▶ 4:33:40Regional planning trail vision project

    The regional planning commission asked for a contribution or donated free GIS hours; no decision made.

    as heard:a thousand buckseight free GIS hours

  3. ▶ 4:38:11Kelly estate funds for title searches

    A member proposed using estate money to fund title searches for three tax-title parcels; cost unknown in advance.

  4. ▶ 4:39:37Hollis Road house rent

    A member said the current rent is well below market and the commission may consider raising it.

    as heard:$10,800 a year

  5. ▶ 4:47:50Membership dues and handbook subscription

    Association membership and handbook access are on hold because bills cannot be paid amid the staffing shortage.

  6. ▶ 5:00:54Conservation-sponsored grants

    Contract signing authority for a grant must be clarified; a previous grant's trail stabilization work is underway.

  7. ▶ 3:51:14Third-party wetland delineation review

    Two quotes were obtained and forwarded to the applicant's representative.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 18:36Chair to follow up by email with the watershed association about riverbank restoration sites.
  • ▶ 36:39Site walk for 255 Sunny Hill Road to be arranged offline; applicant to stake lines and provide tree information and drawings.
  • ▶ 1:21:14255 Sunny Hill Road continued to December 6.
  • ▶ 4:09:12Tree removal at 39 Valley Road is outside jurisdiction; no vote needed and owner may proceed.
  • ▶ 4:29:15Commission leaned toward requiring larger replacement trees at 143 Island Road.
  • ▶ 5:00:08Certificates for 176 Elmwood and 81 Maple Parkway tabled for lack of recommendations.
  • ▶ 1:59:24Minutes of the prior meeting tabled to a later meeting.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 3:36Asked to pave his existing driveway at 441 Townsend Harbor Road after being left off the agenda. — Nick Eaton, as heard
  2. ▶ 49:23255 Sunny Hill Road: lot is wet, spring flows year round, wetland delineation questioned, swale history, drainage; wants to attend site walk and will email photos. — Kenneth Patton, as heard, abutter, 290 Leominster Road
  3. ▶ 1:04:12Area is wet year round, feeds Catacunamug Brook; question about waiver of no-touch zone. — Mike and Debbie Chapalain, as heard, abutters, 208 Leominster Road
  4. ▶ 1:10:06Objected to development: water, wildlife, property values, town character. — Raymond lejoy, as heard, resident, 245 Leominster Road
  5. ▶ 1:15:57Considers the Sunny Hill lot marginal and unbuildable. — Dave Rogers, as heard, resident, 82 Highland Street
  6. ▶ 1:18:25Opposed to the project; runoff to her mother's property. — Christina senle, as heard, speaking for mother at 255 Leominster Road
  7. ▶ 1:45:59171 Arbor Street: well near septic, groundwater, tree clearing, wildlife; applicant agreed to walk the site. — John rut, as heard, direct abutter, 155 Arbor Street
  8. ▶ 1:54:44Frustration with development changing Lunenburg. — Debbie chapain, as heard, resident, 208 Leominster Road
  9. ▶ 2:26:01Kilburn Street lots: wet land, springs, culverts, dumping, wildlife; asked for site visit. — Joan Hoy, as heard, resident, 39 Kilburn Street
  10. ▶ 2:32:26Water pooling at the driveway and catch basin, water line on plan, process questions for Kilburn lots. — John Carroll, as heard, resident, 803 Leominster Road
  11. ▶ 2:59:10Area across from lot 2 is very wet; no water main on that stretch. — Susan bro, as heard, resident, 710 Leominster Road
  12. ▶ 3:17:04Asked what happens to the other acreage of the 90-acre parcel. — John Carroll, as heard
  13. ▶ 3:18:47Catch basin near lot 3 floods; asked whether it will be considered. — Phil Hoy, as heard

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:04Call to order, roll call and announcementsinformational · 3:32 long
  2. ▶ 3:36Public comment and field change at 441 Townsend Harbor Roadapproved by roll call · 6:00 long · public comment, planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 11:01Riverbank restoration grant presentationinformational · 7:56 long · grants
  4. ▶ 18:57255 Sunny Hill Road notice of intentcontinued to December 6 · 1:03:18 long · planning and zoning, public comment
  5. ▶ 1:22:15171 Arbor Street subdivision notice of intentcontinued to December 6 · 34:37 long · planning and zoning, public comment
  6. ▶ 1:56:52Minutes approvalJune 7 minutes approved; latest minutes tabled · 3:13 long · policy
  7. ▶ 2:00:0539 Island Road retaining wallapproved · 13:20 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 2:13:2520 Kilburn Street lots 1-3each continued to December 6 · 1:07:53 long · planning and zoning, public comment
  9. ▶ 3:21:1810 Sunset Avenue deck and patiocontinued to December 6 · 22:21 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 3:43:3985 Chase Road septiccontinued to December 6 · 5:45 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 3:49:24390 Howard Street delineationcontinued to December 6 · 2:50 long · planning and zoning
  12. ▶ 3:52:1421 Fire Road 16 septic and wellapproved with silt fence · 8:09 long · planning and zoning
  13. ▶ 4:00:23Tree removals at 39 Valley Road and 143 Island RoadValley Road out of jurisdiction; Island Road negative determination · 31:31 long · planning and zoning
  14. ▶ 4:31:54Business: trail plans, staffing, Kelly estate funds, Hollis Road lease, outreach flyersinformational · 15:56 long · staffing, personnel, legal
  15. ▶ 4:47:50Membership dues, handbook, 950 Chase Road encroachment, other administrative itemsinformational · 8:10 long · legal, fees
  16. ▶ 4:54:58Certificates of compliancetwo approved, two tabled · 5:32 long · planning and zoning
  17. ▶ 5:00:32Grant updates, committee reports, departing member farewell, adjournmentadjourned · 8:18 long · grants

What the captions could not carry

  • Time-of-adjournment statement was garbled in captions.
  • Several motion makers and seconders are unclear or mixed up in captions.
  • Stretches around 15125 to 15432 are mostly the commission searching for notes and are poorly captioned.

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