What was said

Conservation Commission, February 7, 2024

the recording · 4:14 long, about 30,433 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 3:40:18The Conservation Commission voted to approve the 20 Kilburn Street Lot 3 notice of intent, conditioned on a revised plan with boulder spacing and erosion protection.
  2. ▶ 59:09It continued the 390 Howard Street wetland delineation to February 21 so a third-party peer review can be arranged, with the scope to return to the commission first.
  3. ▶ 2:36:47It issued a negative determination for 20 Kilburn Street Lot 1 after abutters described flooding, and continued Lot 2 to February 21.
  4. ▶ 3:51:48It authorized the administrator to issue an enforcement order on the culvert at 780 Northfield Road, and approved a certificate of compliance for 120 West Street.
  5. ▶ 4:11:50It approved a not-to-exceed purchase of a replacement hot water heater for the Hollis Road house, and continued 255 Sunny Hill Road and 171 Arbor Street to February 21.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Residents near Kilburn Street raised flooding and runoff concerns, and the decisions on that three-lot project now rest on a revised plan for Lot 3 and a further hearing on Lot 2.
  • At 390 Howard Street the applicant pays for peer review through the town office, so the reviewer's scope and cost affect what a wetland delineation takes to settle.

Watch next

  • February 21 continued hearings: 20 Kilburn Street Lot 2, 390 Howard Street, 255 Sunny Hill Road and 171 Arbor Street.
  • The peer reviewer scope for 390 Howard Street, which is to return to the commission before a reviewer is engaged.

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Present: Mary (chair) (chair, remote); Bob Peas (member (vice chair), remote); Rich Burch (member, remote); Jeff Vivano (member, remote); Mike Larouche (member, remote); Chris St Germain (member, remote); Jenny Puer (member (new, non-voting on earlier hearings), remote); Sophie Doro (conservation administrator, remote). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 19:52Approve certificate of compliance for 120 West Street — moved by Chris, as heardpassed unanimously
  2. ▶ 59:09Continue the 390 Howard Street abbreviated notice of resource area delineation to February 21 — moved by Rich, as heardpassed unanimously
  3. ▶ 1:54:18Continue 255 Sunny Hill Road to February 21; the hearing was treated as unopened — moved by Mike, as heardnot audible
  4. ▶ 1:57:48Continue 171 Arbor Street to February 21 and have the administrator contact the applicant's engineer — moved by Bob, as heardpassed unanimously
  5. ▶ 2:36:47Negative determination for the 20 Kilburn Street Lot 1 request for determination of applicability — moved by Bob, as heardpassed unanimously
  6. ▶ 3:24:56Continue 20 Kilburn Street Lot 2 notice of intent to February 21 — moved by Mike, as heardpassed unanimously
  7. ▶ 3:40:18Approve 20 Kilburn Street Lot 3 notice of intent, conditioned on a revised plan with boulders at 25 ft and erosion protection noted as the limit of work — moved by Bob, as heardpassed unanimously
  8. ▶ 3:44:40Apply gas cost for the pollinator habitat mower to the Hall's account — moved by Mike, as heardpassed unanimously
  9. ▶ 3:51:48Authorize the administrator to issue an enforcement order to Jim Latanzi on the culvert at 780 Northfield Road — moved by Bob, as heardpassed unanimously
  10. ▶ 4:11:50Approve a purchase not to exceed the stated amount for a replacement hot water heater at 123 Hollis Road from Cam's Heating — moved by Mike, as heardpassed unanimously
  11. ▶ 4:12:34Nominate Jenny Puer as commission representative to the stormwater committee — moved by Bob, as heardpassed unanimously

And 4 procedural: approve minutes of december 20, 2023 (▶ 12:01); approve minutes of january 3, 2024 (▶ 13:05); approve minutes of january 17, 2024 (▶ 13:49); adjourn (▶ 4:14:00).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 14 agree, 4 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 3 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsEnforcement order, Jim Latanzi / Lattanzi culvert

    recording Authorize the administrator to issue an enforcement order to Jim Latanzi on the culvert at 780 Northfield Road — passed unanimously

    town’s minutes “motion: bob p., second: chris s. to authorize our conservation administrator to issue an enforcement order to jim lattanzi to resize and lower his culvert and to hire a wetlands scientist”

    Same vote, but the official adds resizing/lowering the culvert and hiring a wetlands scientist, which ours omits; also confirm the 780 Northfield Road address, which the official excerpt does not show.

  2. differsHot water heater purchase amount, 123 Hollis Road

    recording Approve a purchase not to exceed the stated amount for a replacement hot water heater at 123 Hollis Road from Cam's Heating — passed unanimously

    town’s minutes “motion: mike l., second: rich b. to approve a $3,200 purchase of a replacement hot water heater for the 123 hollis road property from cam's heating.”

    Our minutes give no amount in the vote (figures list $3,100 and $3,200); official motion says $3,200 but also prints a $3,100 invoice. Check the recording and the invoice to see which figure was voted and whether it was a cap.

  3. differs255 Sunny Hill Road continuation vote

    recording Continue 255 Sunny Hill Road to February 21; the hearing was treated as unopened — not audible

    town’s minutes —

    The official minutes contain no vote or item on 255 Sunny Hill Road; check the recording at t=6858 and the agenda to see whether the continuation happened and why it is unrecorded.

4 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Name of enforcement order recipient:Jim Latanzi→Jim Lattanzi
  • Account name for gas charge:Hall's account→Hawes Account
  • Name of stormwater committee nominee:Nominate Jenny Puer as commission representative to the stormwater committee — passed unanimously→Jenny Pewtherer
  • Attendee names:Bob Peas; Rich Burch; Jeff Vivano; Sophie Doro; Jenny Puer→Bob Pease; Richard Bursch; Jeffrey Viviano; Sophie Dorow; Jenny Pewtherer
In one record only: 5 from the recording, 8 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Peer reviewer scope for 390 Howard Street: The applicant at 390 Howard Street may talk with the interim land use director about peer reviewer names and scope. The scope will return to the commission before a reviewer is engaged.
  • Recording only — Lot 2 force main schedule and boulder spacing lean: The commission leaned toward 25-foot boulder spacing. For the Lot 2 force main it wants a construction schedule with the work done in about a week and stabilized within seven days.
  • Recording only — Hollis Road invoices emailed to office: Hollis Road invoices should be emailed to the commission's office address so commissioners are kept out of the flow.
  • Recording only — Mac class choices by Friday: Members should send Mac class choices to staff by Friday so a purchase order can be raised.
  • Recording only — Routine business deferred: Grant updates, conservation land updates and other routine business were deferred to the next meeting.
  • Town’s minutes only — Lake Shirley extension request: “the request for extension will be on a future agenda.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Certificate of compliance follow-up: “bill h. asked when the certificate would be available and mary asked sophie to contact him after the commissioners have docu-signed it.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Lake Shirley treatment plan review: “the plan should be reviewed by the commission before they do a treatment.”
  • Town’s minutes only — DEP 'riverfront' typo: “suggested having sophie contact dep regarding the typo of riverfront in their comments.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Town Counsel items: title searches, 950 Chase Road shed, 315 Lancaster Ave: “950 chase road- shed removal- bob will talk to town counsel about this.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Jenny Pewtherer accepts nomination: “jenny accepted and mary will notify renee.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Other attendees and public speakers: “kevin o'brien and matt marro present.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Jeff Viviano logged off at 10:54pm: “roll call: bob p., rich b., jeff v ., mike l., chris s., mary w., jenny pewtherer”

Compared 2026-10-08. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 50:40Third-party peer review of wetland delineation at 390 Howard Street

    The applicant pays the peer reviewer through the town office, which contracts the reviewer. The applicant objected to the scope of one bid and asked to talk to the interim land use director about it.

  2. ▶ 3:43:33Gas for pollinator habitat mower

    The cost was charged to the Hall's account as budget support.

    as heard:$117

  3. ▶ 4:04:06Hot water holding tank replacement, Hollis Road house

    Cam's Heating quoted the replacement, and the commission approved a not-to-exceed amount. The December service invoice was still outstanding.

    as heard:$3,100$3,200

  4. ▶ 3:58:26Timber rights fund

    The chair suggested paying for removal of a shed at 950 Chase Road from the fund after the timber harvest.

    as heard:$20,000

  5. ▶ 4:09:23Fire department pumping of Hollis Road basement

    It was unclear whether the fire department will bill for the pumping.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 10:15The administrator will call Richard Parson about filing to remove the three trees, and he will email her his contact information.
  • ▶ 56:00The applicant at 390 Howard Street may talk with the interim land use director about peer reviewer names and scope. The scope will return to the commission before a reviewer is engaged.
  • ▶ 1:58:35The administrator will contact McCarthy Engineering about the 171 Arbor Street applicant's absence and confirm which drawings the commission holds.
  • ▶ 3:11:29The commission leaned toward 25-foot boulder spacing. For the Lot 2 force main it wants a construction schedule with the work done in about a week and stabilized within seven days.
  • ▶ 1:48:17The Lake Shirley extension request will be put on a future agenda as an extension request. The state allows only three years, and the applicant already sent its letter.
  • ▶ 3:50:04The 32 Courtland Circle detention pond item was struck from the agenda until the homeowners association makes a real ask.
  • ▶ 4:07:35Hollis Road invoices should be emailed to the commission's office address so commissioners are kept out of the flow.
  • ▶ 3:57:06Members should send Mac class choices to staff by Friday so a purchase order can be raised.
  • ▶ 4:01:36Grant updates, conservation land updates and other routine business were deferred to the next meeting.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 5:21Asked for permission to cut three dead or dying pines near his house. Told to work with the administrator on the filing. — Richard Parson, as heard, resident, 70 Horizon Island Road
  2. ▶ 1:51:10Wanted to comment on the 255 Sunny Hill Road delineation. Deferred to February 21 because the hearing was continued. — Ken Patton, as heard, resident
  3. ▶ 2:09:16Raised flooding and catch basin concerns on Lemster Road for the Lot 1 request. — John Caroll, as heard, abutter, 803 Lemster Road
  4. ▶ 2:14:14Described flooding on Kilburn Street and asked that the three lots be considered together. — Joan Hoy, as heard, resident, 39 Kilburn Street
  5. ▶ 2:17:27Said the area is always wet and questioned building there. — Susan Row, as heard, resident, 710 Lemster Road
  6. ▶ 3:20:41Asked about standing water on Lot 2. The chair explained jurisdiction and the delineation process. — Susan Row, as heard, resident, 710 Lemster Road
  7. ▶ 3:38:51Asked whether runoff at Lot 3 goes into the wetland. The applicant confirmed it does. — Phil Hoy, as heard, resident, 39 Kilburn Street

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:43Call to order, roll call, welcome to new member Jennyinformational · 4:14 long
  2. ▶ 4:57Public comment: tree removal at 70 Horizon Island Roadreferred to administrator · 6:22 long · public comment, planning and zoning
  3. ▶ 11:19Approval of minutes of December 20, January 3 and January 17voted · 3:35 long
  4. ▶ 14:54Certificate of compliance, 120 West Streetvoted · 6:28 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 21:22390 Howard Street abbreviated notice of resource area delineation, peer reviewcontinued to February 21 · 39:15 long · planning and zoning, legal
  6. ▶ 1:00:37Lake Shirley Improvement Corp annual report and order of conditions extensioninformational; extension to be agendized · 48:08 long · planning and zoning, recreation
  7. ▶ 1:48:45255 Sunny Hill Road, continued hearing and point of ordercontinued to February 21 · 6:59 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 1:55:44171 Arbor Street, applicant absentcontinued to February 21 · 3:53 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 1:59:3720 Kilburn Street Lot 1 request for determination, with abutter flooding commentsnegative determination voted · 40:19 long · planning and zoning, public comment
  10. ▶ 2:39:5620 Kilburn Street Lot 2 notice of intentcontinued to February 21 · 46:01 long · planning and zoning, public comment
  11. ▶ 3:25:5720 Kilburn Street Lot 3 notice of intentapproved with conditions · 16:55 long · planning and zoning
  12. ▶ 3:42:52Business: pollinator gas, enforcement, SharePoint, Mac classes, Hollis Road repairsvoted · 29:42 long · facilities, technology, town departments
  13. ▶ 4:12:34Stormwater committee representative and adjournmentvoted · 2:07 long

What the captions could not carry

  • The Sunny Hill Road continuance vote outcome was not clearly stated, because the chair announced the hearing as unopened.
  • Roll call responses of 'I' for the chair, as in 'I for myself', were rendered as 'I', so individual tallies are inferred from context.
  • The exact figure for the Hollis Road hot water heater motion was spoken as 'not to exceed 3200'. The captions render it as '$3,200'.
  • The names of the Arbor Street engineer and Lake Shirley speakers were garbled in places.
  • Some of the Lot 2 plan-sharing exchange (about 9800-9950) is mostly silence or garbled.

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