What was said

Conservation Commission, December 4, 2024

the recording · 3:26 long, about 24,547 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:17:59The Conservation Commission voted to take up a plan, drafted with Town Counsel, to restructure the Hollis Road house license into a lease; a draft is due by end of January.
  2. ▶ 56:13Hearings on 400 Leominster-Shirley Road, Electric Ave/Pierce Ave, 390 Howard Street and the 12 Horizon Island Road amendment were each continued to December 18.
  3. ▶ 21:19The 586 Reservoir Road request was approved with a negative determination, on the condition that erosion control mark the limit of work.
  4. ▶ 3:17:27The commission referred the 950 Chase Road barn encroachment back to the Select Board to decide on litigation.
  5. ▶ 3:19:40The commission approved a capped expenditure from its own fund for Hollis Road heating service and held management unchanged until a plan is approved.

Why it matters — our reading

  • The Hollis Road house is town-owned, and the minutes record a statement that its rent is below market under a license that does not tie rent to upkeep, so a new lease could change what that property returns to the town.
  • The Chase Road barn question now sits with the Select Board, which a resident may see on a future agenda as a decision on whether the town pays for removal or goes to court.

Watch next

  • December 18 meeting: continued hearings on 400 Leominster-Shirley Road, Electric Ave/Pierce Ave, 390 Howard Street and 12 Horizon Island Road.
  • Draft Hollis Road management plan due by end of January; January meetings are set for the 8th and 22nd.

housinglegalplanning and zoningpolicypublic commenttown departments

Present: Mary (chair) (chair); Jenny Rich bur / Jenny puer (member); Mike Larouche (member); Chris St Germaine (member); Rich Burch / Rich bur (member); Sophia (conservation administrator/staff); Michael Ray Jeff (presenter (Select Board member advising on Hollis Road)); Jeff vivano (member (absent at roll call)). 1 of 8 matched to the board’s posted roster; the rest, in italics, are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 21:19Approve 586 Reservoir Road RDA with negative determination, with condition that erosion control follow the north border of the driveway as limit of work and plan be updatedpassed (roll call all aye)
  2. ▶ 56:13Continue the 400 Leominster-Shirley Road amendment hearing to December 18passed (roll call all aye)
  3. ▶ 1:17:59Take up Michael Ray's offer to lead drafting a plan for the Hollis Road property with the Town attorneypassed (roll call all aye)
  4. ▶ 1:41:41Continue the Electric Ave/Pierce Ave NOI hearing to December 18passed (roll call all aye)
  5. ▶ 2:02:40Continue 390 Howard Street abbreviated notice of resource area delineation to December 18passed (roll call all aye)
  6. ▶ 2:39:15Approve the existing draft order of conditions for 12 Horizon Island Roadpassed (roll call all aye)
  7. ▶ 2:40:20Continue the 12 Horizon Island Road amendment to December 18passed (roll call all aye)
  8. ▶ 2:46:39Reject certificate of compliance for 57 Round Roadpassed (roll call; aye votes heard from all)
  9. ▶ 2:47:50Approve certificate of compliance for 899 Flat Hill Roadpassed (roll call all aye)
  10. ▶ 2:49:14Approve partial certificate of compliance for 197 White Streetpassed (roll call all aye)
  11. ▶ 2:58:26Approve certificate of compliance for 1207-1209 Mass Avepassed (roll call all aye)
  12. ▶ 3:02:37Approve notice of project change at 932 Flat Hill Road (extend retaining wall)passed unanimously
  13. ▶ 3:17:27Refer the 950 Chase Road barn encroachment back to the Select Board to decide on litigationpassed (roll call all aye)
  14. ▶ 3:19:40Approve funds not to exceed a set amount for heating system service at 123 Hollis Roadpassed (roll call; ayes heard)

And 3 procedural: approve october 2nd meeting minutes (▶ 3:18); approve october 16th meeting minutes (▶ 3:59); adjourn (▶ 3:26:01).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 14 agree, 7 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 4 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsHollis Road vote: who leads the plan▶ 1:17:59

    recording Take up Michael Ray's offer to lead drafting a plan for the Hollis Road property with the Town attorney — passed (roll call all aye)

    town’s minutes “r. bursch, to appoint m. jeffreys to assist with this project and coordinate with town counsel.”

    Ours has him leading the drafting after an offer; official has him appointed to assist. Check the recording near t=4679 for the wording of the motion.

  2. differsElectric Ave NOI continuance: which property▶ 1:41:41

    recording Continue the Electric Ave/Pierce Ave NOI hearing to December 18 — passed (roll call all aye)

    town’s minutes “m. larouche, to continue to 2024-12-18 pending peer review and plan revisions for dep.”

    Date and outcome match, but ours says Electric Ave/Pierce Ave and official says 10 Lakefront Ave / 494 Electric Ave. Check the agenda for the address.

  3. differs197 White St certificate of compliance: partial or full▶ 2:49:14

    recording Approve partial certificate of compliance for 197 White Street — passed (roll call all aye)

    town’s minutes “m. larouche, to approve certificate of compliance for 197 white st specifically.”

    Ours says partial; official says 'specifically' and does not say partial. Check the recording and the issued certificate.

  4. differsPossible sixth member Jeff vivano▶ 0:00

    recording Jeff vivano (member (absent at roll call))

    town’s minutes “roll call: j. pewtherer, r. bursch, c. st germain, m. larouche, m. wilson. and s. dorow (admin)”

    Ours lists an absent member. Official shows five members and no absence or such a name, and every vote is 5-0. Check whether he is a real member or a caption artifact.

7 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Chair name:Mary (chair) (chair)→Mary Wilson
  • Vice chair name:Jenny Rich bur / Jenny puer (member)→Jennifer Pewtherer
  • Member Larouche:Mike larouche (member)→Michael Larouche
  • Member Bursch:Rich Burch / Rich bur (member)→Richard Bursch
  • Member St. Germain:Chris St Germaine (member)→Chris St. Germain
  • Conservation administrator:Sophia (conservation administrator/staff)→Sophia Dorow
  • Michael Ray Jeffreys:Michael Ray Jeff (presenter (Select Board member advising on Hollis Road))→Michael-Ray Jeffreys
In one record only: 7 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Illustrative rent model figures: Illustrative rent model: $2,500 a month, $600 a month, $1,600 ▶ 1:03:10
  • Recording only — 950 Chase Road barn removal cost: 950 Chase Road barn removal: 9 to $10,000 ▶ 3:10:45
  • Recording only — Hollis Road plan due by end of January: Michael Ray to work with Town Counsel and Town Manager and deliver a draft Hollis Road management plan by end of January. ▶ 1:18:42
  • Recording only — No change to Hollis Road management until plan approved: No change to Hollis Road management until an approved plan is in place in January. ▶ 3:19:19
  • Recording only — January meeting dates: January meetings set for the 8th and 22nd. ▶ 1:41:19
  • Recording only — Horizon order: Word version and form 3 metrics: Applicant's engineer to send editable Word version of the 12 Horizon order of conditions; form 3 metrics to be supplied before the Dec 18 amendment hearing. ▶ 2:38:20
  • Recording only — Special session for Hickory Hills Lake report: Plan to hold a special session for the Hickory Hills Lake report on the 29th, subject to quorum. ▶ 3:24:57
  • Town’s minutes only — 12 Horizon unsigned OOC treated as valid: “commission opted to consider original unsigned ooc as valid”
  • Town’s minutes only — M. Jeffreys to bring lease model: “m. jeffreys will bring a lease model at a future meeting”
  • Town’s minutes only — Larouche to arrange heating maintenance with facilities director: “would work this out with facilities director chris ruth.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Remaining agenda items deferred: “permit extension act deferred to future meeting.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Applicants and presenters: “limhuot tiv (gpr, inc.) presented on behalf of applicant sean keenan.”

Compared 2026-10-07. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 1:00:00Hollis Road house rent

    Michael Ray said the current rent is well below market and the license agreement does not restrict rent to the property's upkeep. He proposed a 10-year capital assessment, maintenance fund and market analysis.

    as heard:$850 a month

  2. ▶ 1:03:10Illustrative rent model

    Ray gave explicitly fictitious numbers to show how to back out minimum rent, a work credit for tenant maintenance and a market-rate discount, using an 11-month model.

    as heard:$2,500 a month$600 a month$1,600

  3. ▶ 3:10:45950 Chase Road barn removal

    The chair said informal estimates for tearing down the encroaching barn were in the neighborhood of a small five-figure sum, and she was reluctant for the town to bear it.

    as heard:9 to $10,000

  4. ▶ 3:19:40Hollis Road heating service

    Commission approved a capped expenditure from its accumulated fund for annual heating system servicing, invoice to be paid via the town.

    as heard:$400

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 54:52Sophia to call DEP to ask whether the commission can act on the 400 Leominster-Shirley Road amendment during DEP review; applicant to provide updated plan.
  • ▶ 1:18:42Michael Ray to work with Town Counsel and Town Manager and deliver a draft Hollis Road management plan by end of January.
  • ▶ 1:41:19January meetings set for the 8th and 22nd.
  • ▶ 2:38:20Applicant's engineer to send editable Word version of the 12 Horizon order of conditions; form 3 metrics to be supplied before the Dec 18 amendment hearing.
  • ▶ 3:24:57Plan to hold a special session for the Hickory Hills Lake report on the 29th, subject to quorum.
  • ▶ 3:19:19No change to Hollis Road management until an approved plan is in place in January.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:08Opening, roll call, minutesvoted · 4:12 long
  2. ▶ 4:20Scheduling delayed appointmentsinformational · 2:35 long
  3. ▶ 6:55586 Reservoir Road RDA, detached garagevoted · 15:06 long · planning and zoning
  4. ▶ 22:23400 Leominster-Shirley Road order of resource area delineation amendmentcontinued to Dec 18 · 34:33 long · planning and zoning, legal
  5. ▶ 56:56Hollis Road house: lease and management advicevoted · 22:24 long · housing, policy, legal
  6. ▶ 1:19:23Electric Ave/Pierce Ave stormwater NOIcontinued to Dec 18 · 23:03 long · planning and zoning, roads and dpw
  7. ▶ 1:42:26390 Howard Street delineation, erosion control concernscontinued to Dec 18 · 21:04 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 2:03:4512 Horizon Island Road reissue and amendment of order of conditionsvoted · 37:15 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 2:41:02Certificates of compliancevoted · 18:08 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 2:59:10932 Flat Hill Road notice of project changevoted · 4:34 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 3:03:4467 Island Road RDA status updateinformational · 2:45 long · planning and zoning
  12. ▶ 3:06:29950 Chase Road barn encroachmentreferred to Select Board · 11:49 long · legal, town departments
  13. ▶ 3:18:18Hollis Road heating, January schedule, lake report, adjournmentvoted · 8:06 long · housing, personnel

What the captions could not carry

  • Some roll-call responses in the 57 Round Road and Hollis Road heating votes are garbled in the captions
  • Exact dollar cap for heating service is rendered only as a short figure
  • Hearing dates and some project addresses (e.g. Leominster-Shirley, Flat Hill) are mangled in captions

These are ours, and they are not the record

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