What was said

Conservation Commission, December 18, 2024

the recording · 2:29 long, about 17,367 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 22:34The Conservation Commission approved a septic upgrade at 48 Arbor Street with special conditions, 4-0 on a roll call.
  2. ▶ 1:12:58It approved an amendment to the order of conditions at 12 Horizon Island Road, requiring work during lake drawdown, 4-0.
  3. ▶ 2:02:23It voted 4-0 to approve added wetland delineation and lot line staking under the RTP 2023 grant, paid from the Timber rights fund.
  4. ▶ 1:18:50The commission rejected the certificate of compliance for 57 Round Road, citing the need for a change notice, 4-0.
  5. ▶ 48:02Hearings for 390 Howard Street, 50 Pine Grove Road, 400 Leominster-Shirley Road and the Electric Ave stormwater filing were each continued to January 8.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Wetland and shoreline projects near homes, such as septic repairs and lake walls, move through this commission, and most of the open ones now wait until January 8.
  • The extra grant work was paid from the Timber rights fund, not the general budget, so it does not touch the tax bill directly as heard in the minutes.

Watch next

  • January 8 hearings on the continued matters, including 50 Pine Grove Road, where the applicant was asked to revise plans.
  • A formal vote on the chair signing for the Farmland of Local Importance program, and a later decision on the paint stewardship recommendation.

feesgrantshousinglegalplanning and zoningpolicypublic commenttown departments

Present: Mary (chair, addressed as Madam Chair) (chair); Jenny Pewtherer (member); Mike Larouche (member); Chris (member); Sophia / Sophie (conservation staff (agent/administrator)); Greg Roy (presenter (engineer, Dillon Roy)); Bill Hanigan (presenter (applicant representative)). 2 of 7 matched to the board’s posted roster; the rest, in italics, are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 7:51Continue 390 Howard Street to January 8 — moved by Mike (heard as 'so moved', seconded Mike/Chris), as heardpassed 4-0 by roll call (Jenny, Mike, Chris, chair all aye)
  2. ▶ 22:34Approve the notice of intent for 48 Arbor Street septic upgrade with special conditions: silt fence added to straw wattle, and buffer placards along the 30-foot line — moved by Chris, as heardpassed 4-0 by roll call
  3. ▶ 48:02Continue 50 Pine Grove Road hearing to January 8 — moved by Chris, as heardpassed 4-0 by roll call
  4. ▶ 59:02Have Sophia send the original March 2023 determination to DEP and clarify the September copy was a misunderstanding — moved by Chris, as heardpassed 4-0 by roll call
  5. ▶ 1:00:04Continue 400 Leominster-Shirley Road matter to January 8passed 4-0 by roll call
  6. ▶ 1:05:23Continue the stormwater management notice of intent (Electric Ave and Pierce) to January 8 — moved by Chris (seconded Mike), as heardpassed 4-0 by roll call
  7. ▶ 1:12:58Approve amendment of order of conditions at 12 Horizon Island Road, with conditions: work during lake drawdown and sand pulled back onto shorepassed 4-0 by roll call
  8. ▶ 1:18:50Reject the certificate of compliance for 57 Round Road, citing need for a change notice — moved by Mike, as heardpassed 4-0 by roll call
  9. ▶ 2:02:23Approve additional amount for wetland delineation and lot line staking under the RTP 2023 grant, from the Timber rights fund — moved by Chris, as heardpassed 4-0 by roll call

And 1 procedural: adjourn (▶ 2:29:15).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 12 agree, 0 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 4 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differs390 Howard St continuance: who moved it▶ 7:51

    recording Continue 390 Howard Street to January 8 — passed 4-0 by roll call (Jenny, Mike, Chris, chair all aye)

    town’s minutes “r. bursch, to continue to 2025-01-08 at 7:00 p.m..”

    Outcome and tally agree, but the official minutes attribute the motion to R. Bursch, who the same minutes list as absent; check the minutes' motion attribution and the video.

  2. differsChair as signatory: which program▶ 2:08:21

    recording Members verbally endorsed the chair acting as signatory for the Farmland of Local Importance program, pending no objection from the select board, open space committee and agricultural commission; a formal vote would follow.

    town’s minutes “m. wilson will provide signatures on behalf of commission.”

    Official minutes tie M. Wilson's signatures to the Table Rock grant work and list the farmland item separately as a follow-up; check the video for which program the signatory endorsement covered.

  3. differsFire Road 12 violation follow-up▶ 1:40:50

    recording Sophia to arrange a call with the town contact about the 4 Fire Road 12 violation and open conditions on town land.

    town’s minutes “s. dorow will seek clarification.”

    Address differs (4 vs 40 Fire Rd 12) and so does the action (arrange a call on violation/open conditions vs seek clarification on whether a state permit extension applies); check the video.

  4. differsAttendance vs. mover of 390 Howard motion

    recording Jenny (member); Mike (member); Chris (member); Mary (chair)

    town’s minutes “absent: r. bursch, j. viviano”

    Both records show four members present, but the official minutes attribute a motion to R. Bursch, listed as absent; the official record is internally inconsistent.

In one record only: 6 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Table Rock parking lot gravel spaces: Table Rock parking lot design and bids: 10 gravel spaces ▶ 1:53:22
  • Recording only — Paint stewardship fee amount: Paint stewardship program fee: a dollar ▶ 2:35
  • Recording only — 50 Pine Grove Rd requests to applicant: Applicant at 50 Pine Grove Road asked to consider moving the shed outside the 50 feet, show the fifth tree and any stairs, and give deck material details before the January 8 hearing. ▶ 45:37
  • Recording only — Paint stewardship recommendation deferred: Paint stewardship recommendation deferred to a future meeting so members can read the materials. ▶ 2:11:09
  • Recording only — 1168 Mass Ave violation bumped: The 1168 Mass Ave violation was bumped to the next meeting because no owner attended. ▶ 1:44:06
  • Recording only — 950 Chase Road shed on tracking list: The 950 Chase Road shed matter stays on the tracking list pending the select board. ▶ 1:44:50
  • Town’s minutes only — 315 Lancaster Ave encroachment deferred: “deferred to future meeting.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Monthly conservation budget report upload: “m. wilson has asked office to upload budget report monthly for commission's access by the 15th.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Fine notice at 10 Mass Ave: “s. dorow sent out fine notice, got return receipt.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Dan Proctor and applicants: “dan proctor (w.r. proctor inc) and greg roy (dillis & roy) presented for applicant chris mackenzie.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Staff on printed roster: “herlin jaime - interim consv. admin”

Compared 2026-10-07. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

Transfers

atwhat movedamount, as heardoutcome
▶ 2:02:47Additional wetland delineation and lot line staking cost for the RTP grant proposed to come out of the Timber rights fund5500voted

The money

  1. ▶ 1:59:18RTP 2023 grant change order

    A request for additional funds to add wetland delineation and lot line staking was approved; the chair said there was room in the grant to absorb it and that it would be paid from the Timber rights fund.

    as heard:5500

  2. ▶ 2:00:39RTP grant scope

    Greg Roy explained the additions were not due to the project being over budget, since work had not begun.

  3. ▶ 1:53:22Table Rock parking lot design and bids

    Greg suggested bidding more parking spaces and reducing later if bids come in too high.

    as heard:10 gravel spaces

  4. ▶ 2:09:48Conservation budget report

    The monthly budget report is to be uploaded to the share drive around the 15th of each month.

  5. ▶ 2:35Paint stewardship program fee

    The program is funded by a small fee at the point of sale, and a member later mentioned a charge at drop-off.

    as heard:a dollar

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 45:37Applicant at 50 Pine Grove Road asked to consider moving the shed outside the 50 feet, show the fifth tree and any stairs, and give deck material details before the January 8 hearing.
  • ▶ 2:08:21Members verbally endorsed the chair acting as signatory for the Farmland of Local Importance program, pending no objection from the select board, open space committee and agricultural commission; a formal vote would follow.
  • ▶ 2:11:09Paint stewardship recommendation deferred to a future meeting so members can read the materials.
  • ▶ 1:40:50Sophia to arrange a call with the town contact about the 4 Fire Road 12 violation and open conditions on town land.
  • ▶ 1:44:06The 1168 Mass Ave violation was bumped to the next meeting because no owner attended.
  • ▶ 1:44:50The 950 Chase Road shed matter stays on the tracking list pending the select board.
  • ▶ 2:14:33January schedule is January 8, 22 and 29, with the lake reports on the 29th.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 6:48Chair asked for public comment; none was seen.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:10Open meeting notice, roll call, January schedule announcementinformational · 2:05 long
  2. ▶ 2:15Paint stewardship program announcementinformational · 3:52 long · policy
  3. ▶ 6:07Public comment and continuation requestsno comment; continuation requests noted · 1:43 long · public comment
  4. ▶ 7:51390 Howard Street continuationvoted · 1:09 long · planning and zoning
  5. ▶ 9:2248 Arbor Street septic upgrade hearingvoted, approved with conditions · 13:53 long · planning and zoning, legal
  6. ▶ 23:1550 Pine Grove Road renovation hearingcontinued to January 8 · 25:28 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 48:43400 Leominster-Shirley Road delineation amendment and DEP lettervoted; continued to January 8 · 12:06 long · planning and zoning, legal
  8. ▶ 1:00:49Electric Ave stormwater notice of intentcontinued to January 8 · 5:15 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 1:06:0412 Horizon Island Road order amendmentvoted, approved with conditions · 7:34 long · planning and zoning
  10. ▶ 1:13:3857 Round Road certificate of compliancevoted, rejected · 5:32 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 1:19:10Violations: 828 Lancaster Ave, 4 Fire Road 12, 1168 Mass Ave, othersinformational · 26:22 long · legal, planning and zoning
  12. ▶ 1:45:32RTP 2023 grant update: Table Rock parking and added scopevoted on added funds · 17:58 long · grants, capital
  13. ▶ 2:03:30Farmland of local importance, budget report, paint stewardship, permit extension actinformational; verbal endorsement · 11:03 long · policy, legal
  14. ▶ 2:14:33Earth Day events, pollinator habitat, Chapter 61 workflow, facility updatesinformational · 15:02 long · facilities, planning and zoning
  15. ▶ 2:29:15Adjournmentvoted · 0:45 long

What the captions could not carry

  • Exact count of each roll call vote is inferred from named members responding; Jeff was said to be absent.
  • Speaker identities are mostly unlabeled; names are as heard and may be wrong.
  • Which commissioner moved or seconded some motions is garbled ('I have it backwards').
  • Whether the 57 Round Road reject motion included the full rationale text is not clear.

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