What was said

Conservation Commission, December 3, 2025

the recording · 1:39 long, about 12,065 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 44:46The commission blocked a proposed three-season porch, ruling it sits entirely within the wetland no-structure zone.
  2. ▶ 21:38It approved a wetland restoration project at 199 Massachusetts Ave, then rescinded and re-approved that same permit to drop a required erosion-control condition.
  3. ▶ 58:16Three other wetlands hearings were continued to December 17 over unresolved landowner permission and boundary measurements.
  4. ▶ 1:10:32The conservation agent job was reclassified out of the clerical union, and the commission voted a new budget split favoring materials for Hollis property cleanup.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Anyone planning a structure near wetlands should note the 50-foot no-structure zone is being enforced strictly, even for additions like a porch.
  • The reclassified conservation agent position changes how the town staffs and pays for wetland permit review going forward.
  • Applicants and abutters tied to the Mulpus Road, Summer Street, and Northfield Road projects face another hearing before a decision is reached.

Watch next

  • December 17, 2025 meeting: continued hearings for 480 Mulpus Road, 30 Summer Street, and 763 Northfield Road
  • Tom Analon to appear in person December 17 with a trail map before winter mountain-bike grooming permission is granted

budgetfacilitiesgrantshiringlegalpersonnelplanning and zoningrecreationroads and dpwstaffingtransfers

Present: Jenny Puther (Chair); Chris St. Germaine (member); Teddy Ducet (member); Andrea Bernett (member); Richard Burch (member); Mary Wilson (member); Ryan Proctor (presenter (Dillis and Roy, representing applicant)); Mike Chaplain (applicant (199 Massachusetts Ave)); Mark Chaplain (applicant (199 Massachusetts Ave)); Paul Foran (applicant/homeowner (13 Birch Island Way)); Caroline Foran (applicant/homeowner (13 Birch Island Way)); Michael McIver (presenter/builder (13 Birch Island Way)); Ken McNamara (applicant (480 Mulpus Road)). 1 of 13 matched to the board’s posted roster; the rest, in italics, are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 18:02Motion to approve the 199 Massachusetts Ave restoration NOI with a condition that the commission be notified by report when remediation/revegetation is complete and again 12 months later — moved by Richard, as heardpassed 6-0
  2. ▶ 21:14Motion to rescind the just-passed approval for the 199 Massachusetts Ave notice of intentpassed 6-0
  3. ▶ 21:38Motion to re-approve the 199 Massachusetts Ave project as presented, with the same reporting conditions, and stating the erosion protection (silt fence/straw waddle) shown on the plan is not required — moved by Richard, as heardpassed 6-0
  4. ▶ 44:46Motion for a positive determination on the three-season porch project at 13 Birch Island Way, the structure being built in the 50-foot no-structure zone — moved by Richard, as heardpassed 6-0
  5. ▶ 49:20Motion to continue the 480 Mulpus Road hearing to December 17, 2025 — moved by Chris, as heardpassed 6-0
  6. ▶ 51:43Motion to continue the 30 Summer Street hearing to December 17, 2025 — moved by Chris, as heardpassed 6-0
  7. ▶ 58:16Motion to continue the 763 Northfield Road hearing to December 17, 2025 — moved by Richard, as heardpassed 6-0
  8. ▶ 1:25:37Motion to allocate money from the Haw (Hollis property) fund: $10,000 to professional services and the remainder ($20,421.23) to materials — moved by Mary, as heardpassed 6-0

And 2 procedural: motion to approve the minutes of the november 19 meeting (▶ 2:33); motion to adjourn (▶ 1:38:22).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 0 agree, 11 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 7 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a partial record.

  1. differs199 Mass Ave NOI vote sequence

    recording Three separate motions: approve (t=1082, 6-0), rescind the approval (t=1274, 6-0), then re-approve with erosion protection stated as not required (t=1298, 6-0)

    town’s minutes “Motion: R. Bursch, to approve with the following additional conditions: 1. A report from Dillis & Roy when the work is complete. 2. A 12-month follow-up report. 3. Erosion protection as drawn on the plan is not required.”

    Official records only one motion/vote; check the video between t=1082 and t=1298 to confirm the commission really held three roll-call votes (approve, rescind, re-approve) rather than the minutes-writer folding a corrected single vote into one clean record.

  2. differsRecreational Trails Program grant extension length

    recording Commission received an extension on the RTP grant to the end of December, after requesting eight months (t=5842)

    town’s minutes “M. Wilson noted that the recreational trails grant was extended for one year.”

    "To the end of December" and "for one year" are materially different durations; check the actual grant extension letter/correspondence to see which is correct.

  3. differs199 Mass Ave restoration planting timing

    recording Planting/boulder installation will begin in spring, not immediately, due to frozen/snow-covered ground (t=1147)

    town’s minutes “Most of the cleanup is now complete, but further restoration is planned.”

    Official does not state a spring timeline; check the recording near t=1147 to confirm the timing was actually discussed as stated.

  4. differsKen McNamara written continuance option (OpenGov)

    recording McNamara may file a written continuance request in OpenGov if Herlin cannot get out to measure before the next meeting (t=2938)

    town’s minutes “Ken McNamara was present. He was unable to get Herlin to visit. The applicant is unsure what starting point to use for measurement.”

    No mention of an OpenGov filing option in the official minutes; check recording near t=2938 for whether this was actually offered/discussed.

  5. differsTom Anelons winter-grooming conditions for Dec 17

    recording Frames it as a requirement: Analon must appear in person at Dec 17 with a map of trails before grooming permission is granted again (t=3901)

    town’s minutes “M. Wilson has seen the grooming and considers it a big service but wants Tom to come in with detailed controls. R. Burch would like the request to identify what trails are included.”

    Official presents these as individual members' requests/preferences, not a stated commission requirement or vote; check recording near t=3901 for whether this was formalized as a condition.

  6. differsChair to research legal uses of Conservation Trust Fund

    recording Chair will research what the trust fund money can legally be used for before spending is proposed (t=5237)

    town’s minutes “The Conservation Trust Fund, after a deposit of $869,830.41 on 11/16/2023 from the Shawn Kelly fund and after interest, has a balance of $967,726.65. It is called fund 8125. It may have been combined with previous funds.”

    Official records the fund's history/balance but not this planned research step; check recording near t=5237.

  7. differsAdding Hollis property duties to conservation agent's job description

    recording Chair will ask the town to add Hollis property land management and conservation restriction administration to the agent's written responsibilities (t=4403)

    town’s minutes —

    Not mentioned in the official minutes at all; check recording near t=4403 and whether any job description update followed.

11 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Hawes Fund total balance:30,42123→$30,421.23
  • Conservation Trust Fund deposit amount:869,83041→$869,830.41
  • Conservation Trust Fund current balance:96. 67,726.65→$967,726.65
  • Timber Rights fund balance:41,74320→$41,743.20
  • Chair's name:Jenny Puther→Jennifer Pewtherer
  • Member name: St. Germain:Chris St. Germaine→Chris St Germain
  • Member name: Doucette:Teddy Ducet→Teddy Doucette
  • Member name: Burnap:Andrea Bernett→Andrea Burnap
  • 199 Mass Ave applicants' surname:Mike Chaplain / Mark Chaplain→Chapdelaine
  • 13 Birch Island Way homeowners' surname:Paul Foran / Caroline Foran→Fortin
  • 13 Birch Island Way contractor's name:Michael McIver→Michael McPhee
In one record only: 5 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Extra Hawes Fund figures discussed (36,484 / 30,000 / 6,484): 36,484, 30,000, 6484 listed among figures heard
  • Recording only — Timber Rights fund budget breakdown (9,000/1,000): 9,000, 1,000 listed alongside the $10,000 timber rights budget
  • Recording only — Recreational Trails Program matching-fund figures (61,000/12,000/9,000): 61,000, 12,000, 9,000
  • Recording only — RTP grant reimbursement received ($28,639.70): 28,639.7
  • Recording only — Conservation agent reclassification/pay grade (step 13): Conservation agent position reclassification and pay grade: step 13
  • Town’s minutes only — Michael Ray providing Hollis Residence cost estimates: “Michael Ray will be providing cost estimates.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Model-T Ford sold at Hollis Residence: “The Model-T Ford has been sold to somebody else who will come to pick it up.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Michael Larouche absent: “Roll Call: C. St Germain, T. Doucette, A. Burnap, R. Bursch, M. Wilson, J. Pewtherer / Absent: M. Larouche.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Herlin Jamie, Interim Conservation Administrator: “Herlin Jamie - Interim Consv. Admin”
  • Town’s minutes only — Michael Gale, Admin Assistant: “Michael Gale - Admin Assistant”

Compared 2026-09-28. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

Transfers

atwhat movedamount, as heardoutcome
▶ 1:25:37From the Haw (Hollis property) fund into professional services and materials budget lines10,000 to professional services and 20,42123 to materialsvoted
▶ 1:24:33Possible secondary transfer within the Haw Fund from professional services to materials, if needed later18,000 / 18,000discussed only

The money

  1. ▶ 1:10:32Conservation agent position reclassification and pay grade

    The conservation office administrator job was moved out of the clerical union and into the salary administrative plan, retitled conservation agent, which is meant to help attract a more scientific candidate.

    as heard:step 13

  2. ▶ 1:20:59Haw Fund (Hollis property) balance and budget allocation

    The chair reported the current fund balance and the prior year's unminuted split between professional services and supplies, then the commission proposed and voted a new split favoring materials for cleanup work at the Hollis property.

    as heard:30,4212336,48430,000648410,00020,42123

  3. ▶ 1:26:42Conservation trust fund (fund 8125) balance

    The chair reported a deposit from the Sean Kelly fund and the current trust fund balance, and said she still needs to determine what the money is legally allowed to be used for.

    as heard:869,8304196. 67,726.65

  4. ▶ 1:28:26Timber rights fund budget

    The commission had previously established a budget for the timber rights fund split between professional services and materials, though the speaker was unsure which category received which amount.

    as heard:41,7432010,0009,0001,000

  5. ▶ 1:31:37Recreational Trails Program grant matching funds

    A commissioner noted the total RTP grant amount and the commission's required matching share, questioning whether the professional-services allocation lined up with that match.

    as heard:61,00012,0009,000

  6. ▶ 1:32:19RTP grant reimbursement received

    The chair noted a reimbursement for the recreational trails grant had come in from the state and she had copied a commissioner on the related email.

    as heard:28,639.7

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 19:07Restoration planting and boulder installation at 199 Massachusetts Ave will begin in spring, not immediately, due to frozen/snow-covered ground.
  • ▶ 20:32Because the erosion-protection requirement was not written into the original motion's conditions, it is not enforceable unless re-voted, prompting the rescind-and-remotion.
  • ▶ 48:58Ken McNamara may file a written continuance request in OpenGov rather than attend in person if Herlin cannot get out to measure the site boundary before the next meeting.
  • ▶ 57:36The chair will ask the DPW's engineering contact about pulling and refiling the 763 Northfield Road culvert application rather than continuing it repeatedly, given the unresolved landowner permission and wetland delineation issues.
  • ▶ 1:05:01Tom Analon must appear in person at the December 17 meeting with a map of the trails he intends to groom before winter grooming permission will be granted again.
  • ▶ 1:13:23The chair will ask the town to add Hollis property land management and conservation restriction administration to the conservation agent's written job responsibilities.
  • ▶ 1:27:17The chair will research what the conservation trust fund money can legally be used for before any spending is proposed from it.
  • ▶ 1:34:12Next steps for the Hollis Road residence are to bring in a dumpster and a cleaning company, with updated cost estimates to be presented at the next meeting.
  • ▶ 1:37:22The commission received an extension on the recreational trails grant, to the end of December, after requesting eight months.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:07Call to order, Zoom/recording notices, roll callprocedural · 1:44 long
  2. ▶ 1:51Public comment invited (none offered); Tom Analon appointment scheduledinformational · 0:42 long · public comment
  3. ▶ 2:33Approval of November 19 minutesvoted · 0:49 long
  4. ▶ 3:44199 Massachusetts Ave wetland restoration NOI hearing (violation cleanup, conditions, rescind/remotion over erosion protection)voted · 18:50 long · planning and zoning, legal
  5. ▶ 22:34Waiting for Tom Analon; moved ahead to next hearingno resolution · 1:02 long
  6. ▶ 22:5613 Birch Island Way three-season porch RDA hearing (screen-share difficulties, no-structure zone concern, positive determination vote)voted · 22:56 long · planning and zoning
  7. ▶ 45:52Continued hearing: 480 Mulpus Road shed (Ken McNamara), boundary measurement unresolvedvoted (continued) · 4:09 long · planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 50:23Continued hearing: 30 Summer Street flood plain fill (Safe Store Real Estate), planning board peer review pendingvoted (continued) · 2:21 long · planning and zoning
  9. ▶ 52:44Continued hearing: 763 Northfield Road culvert replacement (Town DPW), landowner permission and delineation concernsvoted (continued) · 5:52 long · roads and dpw, planning and zoning, town departments
  10. ▶ 58:36Administrative determination: 833 Flat Hill Road deferred pending January site walk with Herlinno resolution · 1:14 long · planning and zoning
  11. ▶ 59:50No extension requests, certificates of compliance, or notices of project changeinformational · 0:21 long
  12. ▶ 1:00:11Appointment: winter trail grooming for mountain bikes (Tom Analon), unauthorized wood chips/ramps concernsno resolution (deferred to Dec 17) · 8:56 long · recreation
  13. ▶ 1:09:07Enforcement, emergency certifications, MAC training, well abandonment updates (none)informational · 0:43 long
  14. ▶ 1:09:50Conservation agent job posting: reclassification, responsibilities, office hours, reporting lineinformational/decision · 8:48 long · personnel, hiring, staffing
  15. ▶ 1:19:04Conservation budget: Haw/Hollis fund allocation vote, trust fund balance, timber rights fund, RTP grant reimbursementvoted (Haw fund) / informational (others) · 14:24 long · budget, grants, transfers
  16. ▶ 1:33:28Hollis Road residence update: custodian moved out, remaining items, cleanup plansinformational · 1:24 long · facilities
  17. ▶ 1:34:52Committee reports: Master Plan Steering, Open Space, Storm Water (no updates)informational · 0:20 long
  18. ▶ 1:35:12Communications: agenda formatting error, RTP grant extension receivedinformational · 2:10 long · grants
  19. ▶ 1:38:22Adjournmentvoted · 0:20 long

What the captions could not carry

  • Exact historical Haw Fund figures are garbled and it is unclear whether a $30,000/$6,484 split was ever formally voted in a prior meeting.
  • The conservation trust fund balance is rendered inconsistently ('$96. 67,726.65') and whether it includes money beyond the Sean Kelly fund deposit is unclear.
  • Whether the timber rights fund split was $9,000 professional services/$1,000 materials or the reverse is explicitly stated as uncertain by the speaker.
  • Members' surnames are rendered inconsistently across roll calls (Bernett/Bernap/Bernath; Burch/Bers; Ducet/Det/Ducette; St. Germaine/'Chris Andrew' heard once), so exact spellings are not confirmed.
  • Who specifically moved the motion to rescind the 199 Massachusetts Ave approval at t=1274 is not clearly attributed to a named speaker.
  • Whether 'Mike Chaplain' and 'Mark Chaplain' are one person heard twice or two separate people is unclear.

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