Open Space Committee, January 11, 2023

The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

grantslegalplanning and zoningpublic commentrecreationtown departments

Present: Mike (chair) (chair); Anna (Lockwood) (member; chair of Parks Commission); Brandon (member; elected clerk); Matthew (member; planning board chair; elected vice chair); Eric (member); Mary Wilson (member, Conservation Commission representative (absent)); Jason (member (said to be eating, listening)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

1. ▶ 8:10Appoint a vice chair (Matthew) and clerk (Brandon) of the committee — moved by Brandon (nominating), as heardpassed by roll call; Mary absent, ayes heard from Matthew, Anna, Brandon, Eric and the chair

And 2 procedural: adjourn the meeting (▶ 1:19:15); table approval of the september 8 minutes until the next meeting (▶ 2:09).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 2 agree, 2 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 6 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

1. differsWho was elected vice chair▶ 8:10

   recording vice chair (Matthew) and clerk (Brandon)

   town’s minutes “vice chair: lockwood, clerk: kibbe. unanimously voted.”

   Our minutes name Matthew (planning board chair) as vice chair, while the official minutes name Lockwood (Ana); check the recording at t=490 for who was nominated and elected.

2. differsWho provides the 9/8/22 minutes▶ 2:09

   recording September 8 minutes will be approved at a later meeting; the previous minute-taker will send them.

   town’s minutes “lockwood to revisit meeting recording and provide minutes for next meeting.”

   Both defer approval, but ours says the previous minute-taker will send them and official assigns Lockwood to revisit the recording and write them; check who took on the task.

3. differsLake Shirley 0 Reservoir parcel follow-up▶ 9:14

   recording The chair will seek time with Town Council and the town manager about options for the zero Lake Shirley Reservoir parcel.

   town’s minutes “toohill to follow up with town counsel to review title examination and discuss next steps.”

   Ours names Town Council and the town manager, official names Town Counsel and a title examination review; 'Council' is likely a caption mishearing of 'Counsel', but the town manager inclusion should be checked.

4. differsGrant applications and Brandon's role▶ 1:00:04

   recording Brandon agreed to act as a sounding board on grant applications and to look for earlier park and land grant applications.

   town’s minutes “kibbe wrote and will share those applications, as well as review and advise on other grant applications being pursued by parks commission.”

   Substantially the same commitment, but official says Kibbe wrote the former Saliba acquisition applications and will share them, while ours says he will look for earlier ones; check the recording.

5. differsParmenter Road car-top idea returning to February agenda▶ 1:17:52

   recording The Parmenter Road car-top idea is likely to return to the February 8 agenda, with the chair compiling a list of concerns and ideas heard.

   town’s minutes —

   Official records the Parmenter Road public comments but no decision about the February agenda or chair compiling concerns; check whether this was decided.

6. differsAttendance of Mary Wilson and Jason▶ 8:10

   recording Mary Wilson (member, Conservation Commission representative (absent)); Jason (member (said to be eating, listening))

   town’s minutes “members present: brandon kibbe, ana lockwood, michael toohill (chair), eric hinds, matthew”

   Official lists only five members present and neither Mary nor Jason; Jason's presence in ours is unconfirmed, check the recording.

Compared 2026-10-14. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

1. ▶ 49:19Lake Shirley association voluntary dues and weed control

   A resident said lake residents pay voluntary dues and fundraise for weed control and other expenses, and receive no tax money.

   as heard:300forty to fifty thousand dollars

2. ▶ 51:25Resident property taxes

   A resident said her taxes rose sharply and she has a large quarterly bill, so there is less money for the lake.

   as heard:75 percent7 500

3. ▶ 26:42Mass Trails Grant

   The chair said the state runs an annual trails grant; conservation has had success with it, and Parks plans to apply later after engineering is done.

4. ▶ 1:09:53Cost of the Lake Shirley Reservoir parcel

   A member said the cost of pursuing the Reservoir parcel is unknown, so the next step is talking with Town Council.

Settled without a vote

• ▶ 2:09September 8 minutes will be approved at a later meeting; the previous minute-taker will send them.
• ▶ 9:14The chair will seek time with Town Council and the town manager about options for the zero Lake Shirley Reservoir parcel.
• ▶ 1:17:52The Parmenter Road car-top idea is likely to return to the February 8 agenda, with the chair compiling a list of concerns and ideas heard.
• ▶ 33:00Next meeting set for February 8 at 7:30.
• ▶ 1:00:04Brandon agreed to act as a sounding board on grant applications and to look for earlier park and land grant applications.

Public comment

1. ▶ 33:22Opposes a boat ramp or trailer access at Parmenter Road: corner-lot parking danger, school bus turnaround, steep grade, ADA compliance, wetland buffer zones. — Joel Swenson, as heard, resident, 17 Ruth Street
2. ▶ 40:57Asked about the Parks Commission's role; raised jet skis, trailers, monitoring residents-only use, trash, restrooms, trespass, and Lake Shirley weed-control costs and voluntary dues. — Mary Perkins, as heard, resident, 62 Ruth Street
3. ▶ 52:31Wants clarification of whether trailers would be allowed, given what was said at the November 16 Parks meeting; parking and emergency access concerns. — Tracy cassavakia, as heard, resident, 16 Ruth Street
4. ▶ 55:35Concerned about narrow street, emergency vehicle access and parking damage; supports no-parking signs on that side. — Gary spent, as heard, resident, 7 Ruth Street
5. ▶ 57:15Encouraged participation in Parks meetings, said the chair's wording is a language issue and no boat ramp is intended; asked Brandon for help with trail grant applications. — Karen Menard, as heard, former Parks Commission chair, 672 Page Street
6. ▶ 1:04:16Returned to say boat ramp language alarms residents, liability concerns on the slope, and suggested the zero Reservoir Road parcel instead. — Joel Swenson, as heard, resident
7. ▶ 1:06:42Asked for weed-control grant leads and suggested a Hickory Hills property for kayak access. — Mary Perkins, as heard, resident

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

• recreation67 min · 84%
• grants44 min · 55%
• public comment36 min · 45%
• planning and zoning26 min · 32%
• personnel6 min · 7%
• legal3 min · 3%

The whole meeting, in order

1. ▶ 0:02Call to order, quorum, meeting logisticsinformational · 1:47 long
2. ▶ 1:49September 8 minutes and note takertabled · 1:21 long
3. ▶ 3:10Vice chair and clerk volunteersvoted · 5:43 long · personnel
4. ▶ 8:53Town Counsel title report on zero Lake Shirley Reservoirnext step: meet Town Council · 2:47 long · legal, planning and zoning
5. ▶ 11:40Parmenter Road lot and Parks Commission proposal for car-top accessdiscussion deferred to public comment; no decision · 13:00 long · recreation, planning and zoning
6. ▶ 24:40Annual town report, open space conference, open space plan, Mass Trails Grantinformational · 8:20 long · grants, recreation
7. ▶ 33:00Public comment on Parmenter Road car-top access, trailers, parking, lake concerns, grantsinformational · 36:00 long · public comment, recreation, grants
8. ▶ 1:09:09Committee response, town meeting transfer process, and request to place the item on a future agendalikely next agenda item · 10:06 long · planning and zoning, recreation
9. ▶ 1:19:15Adjournmentvoted · 0:55 long

What the captions could not carry

• Whether Mary Wilson attended or voted in the roll call; she was said to be absent.
• Some speaker identities were unclear, especially during the vice chair discussion.
• Exact grant figures and the cost of pursuing the Reservoir parcel were not stated.

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