What was said

Personnel Committee, March 8, 2021

the recording · 0:58 long, about 6,144 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

▶ 41:03The Personnel Committee voted 3-2 to keep current non-union SAP employees' longevity pay as it is, with new hires on flat schedules by job type.
▶ 41:03New department heads would follow the police/fire longevity amounts, and new non-department-head clerical staff would follow the clerical amounts.
▶ 20:01The committee had been weighing a move from percentage-of-salary longevity to flat amounts. Staff on the call objected to taking pay from current employees.
▶ 53:32The article was moved to the select board as amended, but the recording does not make the vote audible.
▶ 48:46The committee said the longevity change needs to be in the annual town meeting article. If the article is deferred to fall town meeting, it would only need to add positions to the grid.

Why it matters — our reading

This sets how non-union town staff are paid for years of service, which feeds into the personnel costs in future town budgets and warrant articles.
Voters at town meeting may be asked to approve the longevity article as amended, so the grandfathering terms are what residents would be voting on.

Watch next

The select board's handling of the amended SAP longevity article, and whether it goes to annual town meeting or is deferred to fall town meeting.
The warrant article's final wording, which should show how the grandfathering and the new-hire schedules are written.

budget contracts and unions personnel town departments town meeting warrant article

Present: Donna (chair, remote); Julie (presenter (staff presenting the longevity spreadsheet), remote); Heather (town manager, remote); Dave (member, remote); Sue (member, remote); Joanna (member, remote). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

▶ 41:03Keep existing SAP longevity grandfathered for current employees; new department heads follow police/fire longevity, new non-department-head clerical follow clerical amounts — moved by Joanna, as heardpassed 3-2 (chair stated three to two; Sue and Donna said they could not support it)
▶ 53:32Move the article to the select board as amended this evening — moved by a member, as heardnot audible

And 2 procedural: approve minutes of february 24, 2021 (▶ 2:19); adjourn (▶ 57:27).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 2 agree, 0 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 2 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a summary.

differsSecond vote: article motion▶ 53:32
recording Move the article to the select board as amended this evening — not audible
town’s minutes “motion by j. bilotta to amend the article to reflect the personnel committees current recommendations as noted above.”
Our record has a motion to send the article to the select board with an unheard result. The official record has a motion to amend the article, which passed. These may be two separate motions or one described two ways. Check the recording near t=3212 for the motion and the outcome.
differsWho chaired the meeting▶ 41:03
recording Donna (chair)
town’s minutes “meeting began at 5:04 pm with all attendees present, eric arnold committee chair presiding”
Our captions name Donna as chair. The official minutes name Eric Arnold as chair and list Donna Fortune as a member. Check the recording to see who ran the meeting.

In one record only: 4 from the recording, 2 from the town’s minutes

Recording only — Which members opposed the longevity motion: chair stated three to two; Sue and Donna said they could not support it ▶ 41:03
Recording only — Longevity dollar figures: Per-employee longevity difference: 1600, 8.50, 750, 1280, 323; Longevity schedules: eight fifty, thirteen fifty, eighteen fifty, twenty three fifty, twelve eighty, 1920, 3 200, 850; Career cost to an employee: 37 000, sixty eight thousand dollars ▶ 9:03
Recording only — Items dropped from the article: Election worker and registrar position descriptions skipped for now but kept in the article; personnel action form item dropped as no longer needed. ▶ 4:24
Recording only — Timing of the longevity change: The longevity change would only need to be in the annual town meeting article; if deferred to fall town meeting, the article need only add positions to the grid. ▶ 48:46
Town’s minutes only — Department heads compared to Police/Fire: “the committee agreed that the department heads should be more closely compared to the police/fire longevity amounts”
Town’s minutes only — Other staff present: “casey burlingame, building commissioner, susan doherty, coa director”

Compared 2026-10-28. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

▶ 6:11SAP longevity pay FY22-FY31 cost comparison
A spreadsheet compared the cost of matching clerical versus police/fire longevity amounts across fiscal years.
as heard:fy22fy31
▶ 9:03Per-employee longevity difference
An example showed the percentage-based amount against the clerical flat amount and the police/fire flat amount for one position.
as heard:16008.507501280323
▶ 50:10Longevity schedules
Clerical, police/fire and DPW flat longevity amounts were read out for the record.
as heard:eight fiftythirteen fiftyeighteen fiftytwenty three fiftytwelve eighty19203 200850
▶ 20:21Career cost to an employee
A member of staff estimated the lifetime loss for a long-serving employee under the flat rate.
as heard:37 000sixty eight thousand dollars

Settled without a vote

▶ 4:24Election worker and registrar position descriptions skipped for now but kept in the article; personnel action form item dropped as no longer needed.
▶ 48:46The longevity change would only need to be in the annual town meeting article; if deferred to fall town meeting, the article need only add positions to the grid.

Documents and exhibits

The town’s minutes

The minutes print a list, headed j. belliveau prepared a spreadsheet:

Spreadsheet on the impact of the SAP longevity amendment, prepared by J. Belliveau

Named in the running text, not in a list:

Town Meeting Article (SAP positions; Chapter 70 Section 26, Longevity Pay), for May Town Meeting

Heard in the recording

▶ 5:29the spreadsheetspreadsheet, shown· in the minutes’ list (“Spreadsheet on the impact of the SAP longevity amendment, prepared by J. Belliveau”)
▶ 48:46the articlewarrant article, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Town Meeting Article (SAP positions; Chapter 70 Section 26, Longevity Pay), for May Town Meeting”)
▶ 18:36survey results from other townsletter or email, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

▶ 20:01An SAP employee said flat longevity would cost a long-serving employee tens of thousands over a career and asked that existing employees be grandfathered; non-union staff cannot negotiate. — a speaker, SAP employee
▶ 21:24A department head said SAP staff have no representative to negotiate and asked for grandfathering of current staff. — a speaker, SAP employee
▶ 26:36An employee said other groups negotiated trade-offs the SAP did not, and SAP staff work 40 hours or more so should not be matched to the clerical schedule. — a speaker, SAP employee

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

personnel48 min · 84%
contracts and unions31 min · 53%
warrant article22 min · 38%
town meeting5 min · 8%

The whole meeting, in order

▶ 0:14Opening and open meeting law noticeinformational · 2:05 long
▶ 2:19Minutes of Feb 24 and skipped agenda itemsaudio problems with a member; vote not audible · 2:49 long
▶ 5:08SAP longevity: flat-rate change, cost comparison and employee objectionsdiscussed · 18:22 long · personnel, contracts and unions
▶ 23:30Grandfathering, new-hire rates and what goes in the warrant articlemotion made · 17:33 long · personnel, warrant article
▶ 41:03Debate and vote on grandfathering motionvoted 3-2 · 12:29 long · personnel, contracts and unions
▶ 53:32Article to select board as amended, and adjournmentvoted; article vote not audible · 4:38 long · warrant article, town meeting

What the captions could not carry

Vote on the February 24 minutes: count not audible, one member could not be heard
Roll-call result on the motion to send the article forward as amended
Several figures in the spreadsheet walk-through were garbled

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

▶ 6:11Salary Administration PlanWhat would flat versus percentage longevity pay cost the town and SAP employees over ten years?already answered: thread:sap-rewrite

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