What was said
Select Board, August 22, 2017
the recording · 2:12 long, about 17,859 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately welllunenburgbudgetproject.org — written by the Lunenburg Budget Project, an independent tool for residents. Not affiliated with the Town of Lunenburg, the School Committee or the school district. The data this page is computed from: /data/recording-minutes/select-board/2017.json
The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.
The short version
- ▶ 34:20The Select Board renewed three earth removal permits for 90 days with no new fee if extended; the Montori vote passed, and the Keating and Powell votes were not audible.
- ▶ 39:56The board will send a letter listing which permits are considered inactive and will schedule a follow-up hearing and a public discussion of closure standards.
- ▶ 1:13:39The board accepted the town manager's recommendation on an extra-large trash bag pilot, and voted on white paint for Town Hall and a T-Mobile occupancy license pending Town Meeting.
- ▶ 1:34:46The board voted on a new town manager evaluation form and goals; the outcome was not audible, and one member said they would not support it.
- ▶ 9:30Public comment centered on rumors about moving town offices to the TCP building; no resolution was reached before the board entered executive session on litigation.
Why it matters — our reading
- The earth removal permits, the trash bag pilot and the T-Mobile lease touch town revenue, what residents pay for trash bags, and a lease that would need fall Town Meeting approval.
- The unresolved debate over moving town offices could lead to building purchase or reuse costs, paid from the town budget, mostly taxes, and to a vote residents may be asked to take.
Watch next
- The September 12 workshop, which will be televised in workshop format.
- The fall Town Meeting vote on the T-Mobile ten-year lease, and the follow-up hearing on the Montori earth removal permit.
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Present: Mr. Tull (chair); Mr. McQuade (member); Mrs. Luck.i (member); Mrs. Bertram (member); Mr. Rivas (member); Heather (town manager); Adam Burnet (land use director); Mr. Rhodes (interim building commissioner). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.
Votes
- ▶ 34:20Renew Montori earth removal permit for 90 days with no new fee if extendedpassed
- ▶ 40:17Approve PJ Keating permits for 90 days to November 30 with no new renewal fee if extendednot audible
- ▶ 44:20Approve Raymond Powell permits 32 and 54 for 90 days, same conditionsnot audible
- ▶ 48:09Approve Boys and Girls Club toll drive request for September 9passed
- ▶ 53:11Approve one-day alcohol license for Lions Club at Stillman Country Fairnot audible
- ▶ 54:53Approve weekday entertainment license for Stillman Country Fairnot audible
- ▶ 56:44Approve Lions Club signs with DPW siting provisionpassed
- ▶ 58:50Repaint Town Hall white with black shutters and doorsnot audible
- ▶ 1:13:39Accept town manager recommendation on extra-large trash bag pilot, thicker large bag, drawstringpassed
- ▶ 1:22:41Grant T-Mobile use and occupancy license pending fall Town Meeting for ten-year lease with up to three five-year extensionsnot audible
- ▶ 1:34:46Accept town manager performance evaluation form and goals, with to-do on compensationnot audible; one member said they would not support it
- ▶ 2:03:39Reappoint election officersnot audible
- ▶ 2:04:26Ratify Charter Review Committee appointmentsnot audible
- ▶ 2:05:07Appoint Michael Rea Jeffries as MRPC alternate and MJTC appointmentnot audible
And 1 procedural: enter executive session on litigation (▶ 2:11:47).
Against the town’s minutes
The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 11 agree, 2 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 16 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.
recording Renew Montori earth removal permit for 90 days with no new fee if extended — passed
town’s minutes “to renew permit # 1 until november 30, 2017 with the understanding that if the term is extended for the full term”
Both record a passed renewal, but ours says 90 days and the official says until Nov 30, 2017 with a full-term condition; check the motion wording and whether permit #1 is Montori's.
recording Approve PJ Keating permits for 90 days to November 30 with no new renewal fee if extended — not audible
town’s minutes “to renew permits #14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 27, 28 29, 30, 42 until november 30, 2017”
Ours could not hear the vote; the official records it as passed. Confirm the outcome and the permit numbers on the recording.
recording Approve Raymond Powell permits 32 and 54 for 90 days, same conditions — not audible
town’s minutes “to renew permits # 32 and 54 until november 30, 2017 with the understanding that if the term is”
Same permits. Ours has the vote inaudible and the official has it passed. Confirm the outcome on the recording.
recording Approve one-day alcohol license for Lions Club at Stillman Country Fair — not audible
town’s minutes “to approve the one day alcoholic beverage license and the weekday entertainment license for the lunenburg family lions club for september 9, 2017”
Ours lists two votes, both inaudible. The official has one combined motion, passed. Confirm the outcome and whether it was one motion or two.
recording Repaint Town Hall white with black shutters and doors — not audible
town’s minutes “to paint town hall white with black shutters and detail”
Ours could not hear the vote. The official has it passed, and says the motion was amended from "black shutters and detail". Check the final wording and the outcome.
recording Accept town manager recommendation on extra-large trash bag pilot, thicker large bag, drawstring — passed
town’s minutes “to accept town manager's recommendation for the payt bags”
Both record it as passed. The official gives a 4-1 count, and ours shows no dissent. Check the tally.
recording Grant T-Mobile use and occupancy license pending fall Town Meeting for ten-year lease with up to three five-year extensions — not audible
town’s minutes “mr. ebersole amended his motion to a use and occupancy license to t-mobile pending approval at fall town meeting for a ten year lease with three five year extensions”
Same terms. Ours had the vote inaudible and the official has it passed. Confirm the outcome on the recording.
recording Accept town manager performance evaluation form and goals, with to-do on compensation — not audible; one member said they would not support it
town’s minutes “to accept the town manager performance evaluation form as presented including goals and objectives”
Ours has one member opposed. The official has it passed 4-1, so the two agree on one dissent. Confirm the tally and who dissented.
recording Reappoint election officers — not audible
town’s minutes “to reappoint the following election officers: warden: janice p. carrier (r); deputy warden: michael gale”
Ours had the vote inaudible and the official has it passed. Confirm the outcome.
recording Ratify Charter Review Committee appointments — not audible
town’s minutes “to ratify the charter review committee appointments as listed”
Ours had the vote inaudible and the official has it passed. Confirm the outcome.
recording Fiscal 18 salary reserve to finance director/town accountant salary, and cell phone stipend — 15 for 90 to 80; $480 (discussed only)
town’s minutes “due to the new contract for finance director/town accountant karen brochu, a reserve transfer of $15,492.80”
The $480 stipend matches. Ours heard the salary figure as "15 for 90 to 80", which is probably the $15,492.80 the official gives. Confirm that reading. Ours also treats the transfer as discussed only, while the official says it was signed.
recording 50 cases, $3,700, 1275 a roll, twelve dollars and 80 cents a roll
town’s minutes “bringing the cost per bag to $4.04/ $4.06 per bag or $20.20- $20.30 per rol”
The $12.75 and $12.80 roll prices match the thicker large bag. The $3,700 figure does not appear in the official, and the official's per-bag costs do not appear in ours. Check the recording.
recording Board will schedule a follow-up hearing on the Montori earth removal permit.
town’s minutes “a follow up letter will be sent to all permit owners. the board will review the closure recommendations”
Ours has a follow-up hearing for Montori. The official has a follow-up letter to all permit owners. Check what was decided.
recording A letter will list which permits are considered inactive and be sent to Keating, Montori and Powell.
town’s minutes “a follow up letter will be sent to all permit owners. the board will review the closure recommendations”
Both have a letter. Ours sends it to three named owners and lists inactive permits. The official sends it to all owners. Check the recipients.
recording September 12 workshop will be televised in workshop format.
town’s minutes “we agreed as a board to have workshops, if it would be helpful to televise them; i have no objection at all.”
Ours is a firm decision to televise the Sept 12 workshop. The official says televising is conditional on being helpful. Check the recording.
recording Mr. Tull (chair); Mr. McQuade; Mrs. Luck.i; Mrs. Bertram; Mr. Rivas
town’s minutes “board of selectmen: jamie toale, chairman; robert ebersole, vice chairman; paula bertram, clerk; phyllis”
Names were misheard in the captions: Tull is Toale, McQuade is McQuaid, Luck.i is Luck, and Rivas is probably Ebersole. Confirm Rivas against Ebersole.
2 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
In one record only: 3 from the recording, 2 from the town’s minutes
- Recording only — T-Mobile lease payment of $2,800 a month: twenty eight hundred a month ▶ 1:18:02
- Recording only — Shuttle van $36,000: $36,000 ▶ 1:52:51
- Recording only — Mr. Rhodes, interim building commissioner: Mr. Rhodes (interim building commissioner) ▶ 0:00
- Town’s minutes only — Decision to proceed with Viewpoint e-permitting: “we have decided to proceed with viewpoint. their demonstration was superior”
- Town’s minutes only — Public speakers and residents: “betty jane montouri, representing her mother for the 186 massachusetts avenue site, stated they take some out”
Compared 2026-11-06. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.
Transfers
| at | what moved | amount, as heard | outcome |
|---|---|---|---|
| ▶ 1:46:26 | Fiscal 18 salary reserve to finance director/town accountant salary, and cell phone stipend | 15 for 90 to 80; $480 | discussed only |
The money
- ▶ 1:26Building utility costs
Chair cited annual utility costs for Town Hall, the Ritter and the Paseos, and the cost of keeping the Paseos vacant, covered for now by the building revolving fund.
as heard:41 thousand dollarsalmost 30 thousandalmost 62,000$48,000
- ▶ 16:45Town Hall revenue
A resident said Town Hall generates revenue that offsets its cost, which was not mentioned.
as heard:$32,000
- ▶ 1:08:16Extra-large trash bag pilot
Manager recommended a minimum order of extra-large bags; a member questioned whether it was a pilot and the cash flow from the self-funded program.
as heard:50 cases$3,7001275 a rolltwelve dollars and 80 cents a roll
- ▶ 1:18:02T-Mobile lease payment
Current T-Mobile lease payment described as roughly this monthly amount.
as heard:twenty eight hundred a month
- ▶ 1:47:29Warrants
Payroll, deductions and accounts payable warrants read.
as heard:six hundred and six thousand three hundred twelve thousand twenty eight centsone hundred and eighteen thousand eight hundred and eighty-three dollars and thirteen centstwo hundred and seventy nine thousand nine hundred and forty-four dollars and seventy five cents
- ▶ 1:52:51Shuttle van
MBTA money available for shuttle is not enough given low ridership.
as heard:$36,000
- ▶ 1:54:13Town Hall mold abatement
Mold abatement cost and a separate bird waste cleanup.
as heard:47,000$7,000
- ▶ 2:00:51Permitting software annual cost
Annual software cost discussed, with a possible technology fee on applicants.
as heard:32,00010% technology
Settled without a vote
- ▶ 34:41Board will schedule a follow-up hearing on the Montori earth removal permit.
- ▶ 39:56A letter will list which permits are considered inactive and be sent to Keating, Montori and Powell.
- ▶ 45:01Board to schedule a public discussion of earth removal closure standards.
- ▶ 2:05:30September 12 workshop will be televised in workshop format.
Documents and exhibits
The town’s minutes
The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.
Named in the running text, not in a list:
- Draft Town Manager Performance Evaluation form
- Tappe study
- Building Reuse Committee minutes
- Town Hall paint color survey
- Residents' survey on PAYT trash bags
- Letter to earth removal permit holders
- Follow up letter to permit owners
- Closure recommendations presented by Mr. Burney
- Concept sketches of Passios and old primary site layouts
- E-permitting software proposals (Viewpoint, Permit Eyes, and a third cost proposal)
- Memorandum of Understanding with T-Mobile
- Waste Zero contract agreement
- Massachusetts General Court resolution on neo-Nazism and white supremacy
- Transfer request (salary reserve)
- Accounts payable, payroll and payroll deductions warrants
- Application forms for one day and weekday entertainment licenses
- Tollbooth waiver forms
- DPW Director Rodriquenz email on Lions Club signage
- Updated tax title property list
Heard in the recording
- ▶ 2:07the tap a studyreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 23:06letter to earth removal permit holdersletter or email· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Letter to earth removal permit holders”)
- ▶ 56:00letter from the DPW directorletter or email· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“DPW Director Rodriquenz email on Lions Club signage”)
- ▶ 1:04:25memo from the town manager on bagsmemo· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Draft Town Manager Performance Evaluation form”)
- ▶ 1:23:26town manager performance evaluation formother· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Draft Town Manager Performance Evaluation form”)
State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.
Public comment
- ▶ 9:30Objected to implication she was behind Facebook comments; argued people may disagree about the town center and TCP move, and raised concerns about selling and municipal identity. — Kitty Adams from Williams Drive, as heard
- ▶ 12:37Same speaker continued: concerns about leaving town center, asbestos, TCP condition, TAPA study scope, Town Hall's revenue not being mentioned, open space.
- ▶ 2:06:12Disheartened that opposition to moving town offices to the TCP seems belittled; asked where residents can be heard respectfully. — Julia Callahan, Beale Street, as heard
- ▶ 2:11:04Said volunteers include residents and claimed she was slandered during the campaign. — Katie Adams from Williams Drive, as heard
Where the time went
Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.
- facilities38 min · 29%
- legal37 min · 28%
- personnel26 min · 20%
- planning and zoning24 min · 18%
- town departments23 min · 17%
- public comment18 min · 14%
- policy12 min · 9%
- fees10 min · 8%
- public safety10 min · 7%
- technology9 min · 7%
The whole meeting, in order
- ▶ 0:03Board statements on town center rumors, televising workshops, and a hate-group resolutioninformational · 9:27 long · facilities
- ▶ 9:30Public comment on moving offices to the TCP and town centerno resolution · 12:28 long · public comment, facilities
- ▶ 21:58Earth removal permitsvoted, 90-day renewals · 24:07 long · planning and zoning, legal
- ▶ 46:05Boys and Girls Club toll drive and Lions Club licensesvoted · 9:35 long · policy, public safety
- ▶ 55:40Lions Club signsvoted · 2:20 long · policy
- ▶ 58:00Town Hall paint colorvoted · 6:25 long · facilities
- ▶ 1:04:25Pay as you throw extra-large bagvoted · 9:59 long · fees, town departments
- ▶ 1:14:24T-Mobile lease and occupancy licensevoted · 9:02 long · contracts and unions, legal
- ▶ 1:23:26Town manager evaluation form and goalsvoted · 22:34 long · personnel
- ▶ 1:46:26Salary reserve transferdiscussed only · 1:03 long · transfers, personnel
- ▶ 1:47:29Minutes, warrants, town counsel office hoursinformational · 3:11 long · legal
- ▶ 1:50:40Committee reportsinformational · 3:33 long · town departments
- ▶ 1:54:13Town manager report: mold, records storage, tax title, permitting software, auctioninformational · 9:26 long · facilities, technology, town departments
- ▶ 2:03:39Appointmentsvoted · 2:13 long · elections, personnel
- ▶ 2:05:52Final public comment and exchange with boardno resolution · 5:55 long · public comment
- ▶ 2:11:47Executive session on litigationvoted to enter · 0:53 long · executive session, legal
What the captions could not carry
- Several vote outcomes and counts not stated in captions.
- Dollar figures in the salary reserve transfer garbled.
- Speakers during exchanges are not identified.
Reports this meeting suggests
Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.
- ▶ 0:44Town office spaceWhat would reusing the TC Passios building for town offices cost compared with keeping Town Hall and the Ritter?already answered:
thread:town-offices - ▶ 1:08:16Trash bag feesHow does the pay-as-you-throw bag program fund itself and what would an extra-large bag cost?already answered:
topic:town-solid-waste - ▶ 1:14:24Cell tower lease revenueWhat does the T-Mobile lease pay and what terms are standard?
- ▶ 1:54:54Records storage costsWhat will it cost to store town records securely after the basement and attic are cleared?
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