What was said
Select Board, October 8, 2019
the recording · 4:03 long, about 32,126 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately welllunenburgbudgetproject.org — written by the Lunenburg Budget Project, an independent tool for residents. Not affiliated with the Town of Lunenburg, the School Committee or the school district. The data this page is computed from: /data/recording-minutes/select-board/2019.json
The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.
The short version
- ▶ 2:36:41The board found the dog dangerous, 4-0 with one abstention, and continued the hearing to October 15 at 7:30 for the penalty.
- ▶ 2:43:30Testimony in the dog hearing is closed; the final penalty determination comes on October 15.
- ▶ 50:02The board approved removal of the eight public trees Unitil recommended, and approved removing brush three inches or less, 4-1.
- ▶ 3:17:35The board appointed citizen members to the TC Passios building design committee and ratified the principal clerk appointment.
- ▶ 3:35:16The board recommended the Saliba property acquisition article, 4-0 with one abstention, and deferred its recommendation on the Butterfly Lane article.
Why it matters — our reading
- The Saliba purchase would be authorized in full and carried until state grants reimburse it, with the remainder borrowed, so it may affect future debt payments paid mostly from taxes.
- The dog penalty is still undecided, and the tree and brush decisions touch roadside trees and scenic roads, with five trees the planning board did not approve still unsettled.
Watch next
- October 15 at 7:30: the board's final penalty determination in the dangerous dog hearing.
- The special town meeting vote on the warrant articles, including Saliba, and the board's deferred recommendation on the Butterfly Lane article.
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Present: Mr Jeffries (member); Mrs luck (member); Ms Adams (member); Mr McQuaid (member); Mr Murphy (member); Madam Town manager (town manager); Mr Kibby (presenter); Mr Burney (presenter); Officer Monroe (police officer); Kelsey Como (animal control officer). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.
Votes
- ▶ 50:02Approve removal of the eight public trees recommended by Unitilpassed
- ▶ 50:44Do not approve removal of incompatible brush along the scenic roadsnot audible
- ▶ 54:15Approve removal of incompatible brush three inches or less, as in the 9/23 planning board decisionpassed 4-1
- ▶ 2:36:41Find that the dog is dangerouspassed 4-0 with one abstention
- ▶ 2:39:45Continue the dangerous dog hearing to 7:30 on October 15passed
- ▶ 3:04:18Appoint Greg Roy as citizen at large to the TC Passios building design committeepassed
- ▶ 3:05:41Appoint Deb Christian as citizen at large to the TC Passios committeenot audible
- ▶ 3:10:16Appoint Mr Walker as citizen at large to the TC Passios committeenot audible
- ▶ 3:13:28Appoint Mr Mackin as citizen at large to the TC Passios committeepassed
- ▶ 3:17:35Appoint Mr Blatt as citizen at large to the TC Passios committeepassed
- ▶ 3:19:39Ratify the town manager's appointment of Megan Lorden as principal clerkpassed
- ▶ 3:33:50Recommend article E, reserve capacity stabilization fund transferpassed
- ▶ 3:35:16Recommend approval of article G, Saliba property acquisitionpassed 4-0 with one abstention
- ▶ 3:40:48Recommend approval of article J (revoting the Chase Road rear gift)passed 4-1
- ▶ 3:45:01Recommend approval of article L, salary administration plan positionspassed
- ▶ 3:46:47Recommend approval of the warrant submission-deadline change articlepassed
- ▶ 3:50:30Keep the excavation and earth removal article in the printed warrantnot audible
- ▶ 3:53:20Recommend approval of the excavations and earth removal articlepassed
- ▶ 3:56:24Make no recommendation on the non-binding old primary school articlepassed
- ▶ 3:59:07Defer recommendation on the Butterfly Lane articlepassed
- ▶ 3:59:27Recommend approval of article Q, wine and malt license for Lani Orchardspassed
- ▶ 3:59:47Recommend article R, an additional wine and malt licensepassed
And 1 procedural: adjourn (▶ 4:03:19).
Against the town’s minutes
The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 17 agree, 6 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 6 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.
recording Do not approve removal of incompatible brush along the scenic roads — not audible
town’s minutes “moton. a. adams to not approve removal of incompatible brush along the scenic roads discussion: mr. mcquaid did not believe this was the right approach for the health of the remaining trees”
Ours has no audible outcome; official records it failed 1-4. Check the recording/official outcome.
recording Continue the dangerous dog hearing to 7:30 on October 15 — passed
town’s minutes “motion: m. jeffreys to continue the hearing to october 15 at 7:30 p.m.”
Same motion, but official gives 4-1 abstain tally while ours gives no count; low-stakes, verify tally.
recording Appoint Deb Christian as citizen at large to the TC Passios committee — not audible
town’s minutes “motion: k. adams 2nd • d. mcquaid to nominate deb christen to the tcp building design committee, for citizen at large”
Official says the nomination failed 3-3; ours has no outcome. Verify.
recording Appoint Mr Walker as citizen at large to the TC Passios committee — not audible
town’s minutes “motion: d. mequaid 2nd: t. alonzo to nominate steve walker to the tcp building design committee, for citizen at large”
Official says it failed 2-4; ours has no outcome. Verify.
recording Keep the excavation and earth removal article in the printed warrant — not audible
town’s minutes “motion: k. adams 2nd: t. alonzo to print the earth removal bylaw article in its entirety in the special town meeting warrant vote: 4 in favor, 1 opposed (jeffreys)”
Ours has no outcome; official passed 4-1.
recording Make no recommendation on the non-binding old primary school article — passed
town’s minutes “motion: k. adams to make no recommendation on article n. 2°: d. mcquaid vote: all in favor”
Official applies no-recommendation motion to Article N (earth removal), not an old primary school article; check which article.
6 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
- Saliba purchase price / assessed value:Saliba land purchase price: 775 thousand dollars, 996 thousand nine hundred dollars, 1.1 million→$996,900▶ 19:00
- Accounts payable warrant:two million 468 395 dollars and 54 cents→$2,468,395.54▶ 3:29:40
- Attendee: Chair Tom Alonzo and Town Manager:Madam Town manager (town manager)→Heather Lemieux
- Presenter Mr Kibby:Mr Kibby (presenter)→Brandon Kibbe
- Animal control officer:Kelsey Como (animal control officer)→Kathleen Comeau
- Police officer:Officer Monroe (police officer)→Kamerin Munroe
In one record only: 6 from the recording, 2 from the town’s minutes
- Recording only — Vote to approve removal of eight public trees recommended by Unitil: Approve removal of the eight public trees recommended by Unitil — passed ▶ 50:02
- Recording only — Ratify Megan Lorden as principal clerk: Ratify the town manager's appointment of Megan Lorden as principal clerk — passed ▶ 3:19:39
- Recording only — Article E sewer reserve capacity stabilization fund recommendation and $7,513.66 transfer: Recommend article E, reserve capacity stabilization fund transfer — passed ▶ 3:33:50
- Recording only — Town manager advice to meet with planning board about five trees: The town manager advised the board to meet with the planning board, with legal present, about the five trees the planning board did not approve. ▶ 48:18
- Recording only — Old primary school slides for town meeting: Town manager will prepare slides on old primary school demolition and repair costs for town meeting. ▶ 3:57:04
- Recording only — Record or televise TCP committee meetings: The board will seek to record or televise TC Passios committee meetings. ▶ 4:02:16
- Town’s minutes only — Saliba site visits: “there will be two site visits for the public to tour the property, saturday, october 19 at 10:00 a.m. and sunday, november 3 at 10:00 a.m.”
- Town’s minutes only — Next week's workshop meeting: “next week's meeting is as workshop meeting and the continuation of the dangerous dog hearing and the layout hearing for butterfly lane.”
Compared 2026-11-04. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.
Transfers
| at | what moved | amount, as heard | outcome |
|---|---|---|---|
| ▶ 3:33:30 | Transfer from available funds into the reserve capacity stabilization fund (Sewer Commission article E) | 7 513.66 | discussed only; board recommended approval |
The money
- ▶ 19:00Saliba land purchase price
Negotiated price for the whole parcel was set, against an assessed value and an appraisal.
as heard:775 thousand dollars996 thousand nine hundred dollars1.1 million
- ▶ 20:03State land and park grants
Two state grants were awarded at their maximums, reimbursing most of the cost, which leaves a net town cost.
as heard:five hundred thousand dollars282 thousand dollarsfour hundred thousand dollarsa hundred thousand dollars
- ▶ 22:31Saliba financing and bond service
The town must authorize the full amount and carry it until reimbursed, then borrow the remainder. Annual debt service was estimated for a five-year and a 20-year bond.
as heard:782 thousand dollarssixty thousand dollars a yearseventeen thousand dollars a year
- ▶ 1:06:40Dog attack medical costs
The dog owners' insurance is covering vet and medical bills.
as heard:more than five thousand dollarseight thousand dollars
- ▶ 3:24:46Estimated free cash
The finance director estimated free cash and reported ClearGov transparency software is live.
as heard:around 1.1 million
- ▶ 3:29:40Accounts payable warrant
The accounts payable warrant total was read.
as heard:two million 468 395 dollars and 54 cents
- ▶ 3:38:04Right of first refusal purchase, Mass Ave land
The land in front of the public safety building had a stated purchase price, but the amount was not in the draft article.
as heard:six hundred thousand
- ▶ 3:21:21School strategic plan staffing cost projection
The town manager will fold school staffing cost projections into her five-year forecast.
Settled without a vote
- ▶ 48:18The town manager advised the board to meet with the planning board, with legal present, about the five trees the planning board did not approve.
- ▶ 1:47:00Hearing procedure: board members would call up witnesses individually for questions.
- ▶ 2:43:30Testimony in the dog hearing is closed; the final determination of the penalty comes on October 15 at 7:30.
- ▶ 3:17:56The town clerk will call the first meeting of the TC Passios committee.
- ▶ 3:28:58The ballot question report was pushed to the next week's meeting.
- ▶ 3:57:04Town manager will prepare slides on old primary school demolition and repair costs for town meeting.
- ▶ 4:02:16The board will seek to record or televise TC Passios committee meetings.
- ▶ 3:30:41The town manager will check on repainting road lines after repaving.
Documents and exhibits
The town’s minutes
The minutes print a list, headed a copy of the fence contract was presented.
:
- Unitil Storm Resiliency Program hearing notice
- Fence contract (copy presented at dangerous dog hearing)
- Police report by Officer Kamerin Munroe
- Photos taken by Officer Munroe (fence and injuries)
- Notarized statement of Catherine Ethbal
- Written statement of Christine Smith
- November 12, 2019 Special Town Meeting Warrant (Draft #2)
Named in the running text, not in a list:
- Chapter 140, section 157 (M.G.L.)
- Chapter 81 "Town Meetings" bylaw
- Five Year Financial Forecast
- Open Space and Recreation Plan
- Three Building Reuse studies
- Storm Resiliency Program information on Town website
- Talent bank forms
Heard in the recording
- ▶ 3:40slides on the Saliba propertypresentation, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 4:23open space and Recreation planreport, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Open Space and Recreation Plan”)
- ▶ 26:03warrant article, Saliba purchasewarrant article, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 1:09:12fence contractcontract or agreement, shown· in the minutes’ list (“Fence contract (copy presented at dangerous dog hearing)”)
- ▶ 1:43:29Catherine Elbethal's notarized testimonyletter or email, shown· in the minutes’ list (“Notarized statement of Catherine Ethbal”)
- ▶ 56:25dog hearing proceduredraft policy or bylaw, shown· in the minutes’ list (“Fence contract (copy presented at dangerous dog hearing)”)
- ▶ 3:31:42special town meeting warrant draft number twowarrant article, shown· in the minutes’ list (“November 12, 2019 Special Town Meeting Warrant (Draft #2)”)
- ▶ 3:28:58ballot question reportreport, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: Unitil Storm Resiliency Program hearing notice; Police report by Officer Kamerin Munroe; Photos taken by Officer Munroe (fence and injuries); Written statement of Christine Smith.
State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.
Public comment
- ▶ 1:29No public comment at the opening.
- ▶ 49:00Resident opposed Unitil's plan and asked the board not to remove baby trees. — Ron Delicia, as heard, resident
- ▶ 4:01:33Resident said vegetation management destroyed the stormwater buffer on her property, and asked that TCP building committee meetings be recorded.
Where the time went
Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.
- public safety131 min · 54%
- legal131 min · 54%
- warrant article95 min · 39%
- personnel36 min · 15%
- capital31 min · 13%
- grants31 min · 13%
- town meeting29 min · 12%
- roads and dpw22 min · 9%
- town departments10 min · 4%
- superintendent report10 min · 4%
The whole meeting, in order
- ▶ 0:00Opening, public comment, announcementsinformational · 2:12 long · public comment
- ▶ 2:12Saliba property acquisition presentationinformational · 30:44 long · warrant article, capital, grants
- ▶ 32:56Unitil storm resiliency tree hearingvoted · 22:03 long · public safety, legal, roads and dpw
- ▶ 54:59Dangerous dog hearingfound dangerous; penalty continued to Oct 15 · 1:48:53 long · legal, public safety
- ▶ 2:43:52TC Passios design committee citizen appointmentsvoted · 34:45 long · personnel, warrant article
- ▶ 3:18:37Ratification of principal clerk appointmentvoted · 1:22 long · personnel, hiring
- ▶ 3:19:59Town manager reportinformational · 9:41 long · town departments, superintendent report
- ▶ 3:29:40Minutes, warrants and action itemsinformational · 1:42 long
- ▶ 3:31:22Special town meeting warrant recommendationsvoted on several articles; some deferred · 29:08 long · warrant article, town meeting
- ▶ 4:00:30Public comment and adjournmentadjourned · 2:49 long · public comment
What the captions could not carry
- Some vote counts and voice votes were not stated.
- Sizes and amounts for several warrant articles were not audible.
- Whether the Walker and Christian nominations passed or failed was not clear in the captions.
- Captions for the tree-brush motion at 3044 do not state the result.
Reports this meeting suggests
Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.
- ▶ 20:03Saliba land acquisitionWhat will the Saliba land purchase cost the town after state grants, and what is the lost tax revenue?
- ▶ 2:46:05TC Passios costsWhat is planned for the TC Passios building and what will design cost?already answered:
thread:tc-passios-site - ▶ 3:56:04Old primary school demolitionWhat do demolition and repair of the old primary school cost?
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