What was said
Sewer Commission, November 27, 2018
the recording · 0:47 long, about 5,922 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately welllunenburgbudgetproject.org — written by the Lunenburg Budget Project, an independent tool for residents. Not affiliated with the Town of Lunenburg, the School Committee or the school district. The data this page is computed from: /data/recording-minutes/sewer-commission/2018.json
The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.
The short version
- ▶ 34:43The Sewer Commission tabled the irrigation meter policy so it can return once a meter has been selected.
- ▶ 33:55The commission passed the single meter policy as written, by voice.
- ▶ 34:18The commission passed the change to the connection charge policy, which adds an infiltration and inflow charge and a sewer reconnection fee.
- ▶ 34:43The grease trap regulation changes were moved, but the minutes record the vote outcome as not audible.
- ▶ 42:00The business manager was asked to get a camera inspection price and ask town counsel about Elizabeth Street infiltration enforcement and cost recovery.
Why it matters — our reading
- The connection charge and irrigation policies set what sewer users pay, and the tabled irrigation policy means the fee and credit terms for irrigation meter users are not yet settled.
- Infiltration on Elizabeth Street adds flow to the treatment bills that all sewer users share, so who pays for the repair is still an open question.
Watch next
- Choosing the irrigation meter is to go on the next meeting agenda, and the irrigation policy would return after that.
- The camera inspection price and town counsel's answer on Elizabeth Street are due back to the commission.
feeslegalpolicypublic commenttown departmentswater sewer
Present: Joe (member); John (member); Barbara (business manager); Bob (member); Joan (member); Karl (chair (referred to; unclear if present)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.
Votes
- ▶ 25:11Approve the irrigation meter policy — moved by a member, as heardnot audible
- ▶ 33:55Accept the single meter policy as writtenpassed
- ▶ 34:18Change the connection charge policypassed
- ▶ 34:43Approve the grease trap regulation changesnot audible
And 2 procedural: approve the minutes of 11/6/18 (▶ 44:26); adjourn (▶ 47:38).
Against the town’s minutes
The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 5 agree, 0 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 5 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.
recording Approve the irrigation meter policy — not audible
town’s minutes “to approve the irrigation meter policy changes. vote: joe and john- opposed, joan and ryan - aye”
Ours could not hear the result; official records a 2-2 split (Joe and John opposed, Joan and Ryan aye), so the policy was not approved. Check the recording for the tally.
recording Approve the grease trap regulation changes — not audible
town’s minutes “to approve the grease trap regulation changes. second: ryan s. vote: unanimous”
Ours could not hear the outcome; official says it passed unanimously. Confirm against the recording.
recording —
town’s minutes “vote: joe a, john r. and ryan- aye. joan p.- abstain”
Official records an abstention by Joan P. on a vote with Joe, John, and Ryan aye. Our minutes have no matching vote. Check which motion this was.
recording Bob (member); Karl (chair (referred to; unclear if present))
town’s minutes “motion: ryan s. second: joan p.”
Official lists Ryan S., where ours has Bob, and a public commenter Karen Carnavale, where ours has Karl as chair. These may be misheard names, but check the roster and the recording.
recording Irrigation meter users: 900, 55
town’s minutes —
The official minutes give no user counts, so this cannot be matched. Check the recording for the figures.
In one record only: 5 from the recording, 4 from the town’s minutes
- Recording only — Faulty-reading fee of $25: Irrigation meter faulty-reading fee: $25 ▶ 5:23
- Recording only — Connection charge and grease trap permit fee figures: Connection charges (I&I): two dollars per gallon, $1,000; Grease trap permit fees: a hundred and fifty dollars, 350 dollars, four hundred and fifty dollars, six hundred and fifty dollars ▶ 20:54
- Recording only — Sewer treatment bills from Leominster and Fitchburg: Leominster and Fitchburg sewer treatment bills: one 24:35, eighteen eight seventy eight twenty nine ▶ 45:00
- Recording only — Elizabeth Street infiltration follow-up: The business manager will get a price for camera inspection from a contractor and check with town counsel about Elizabeth Street infiltration enforcement and cost recovery. ▶ 42:00
- Recording only — Meter selection on the next agenda: Choosing the irrigation meter will go on the next meeting agenda. ▶ 46:32
- Town’s minutes only — Q1 FY19 sewer billing commitment: “commission signed the q1 fy19 commitment for sewer billing for $219,704.52.”
- Town’s minutes only — Public hearing closed: “the public hearing for policy updates was closed.”
- Town’s minutes only — FY19 Recap letter: “fy19 recap - barb will be doing up a letter for karen.”
- Town’s minutes only — Clerk and public commenters: “dave passios, 56 whiting street, had questions about when the policy and fee go into effect.”
Compared 2026-11-05. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.
The money
- ▶ 5:23Irrigation meter faulty-reading fee
A charge for an extra reading caused by a faulty meter would be deducted from the next irrigation credit.
as heard:$25
- ▶ 5:43Annual irrigation fee
An annual fee would cover administration and be deducted from the user's credit. A resident questioned whether it was based on actual cost.
as heard:$50
- ▶ 4:00Irrigation meter users
Only a small subset of users have irrigation meters, and reading costs are currently spread across all users.
as heard:90055
- ▶ 20:54Connection charges (I&I)
A charge per gallon for infiltration and inflow and a flat sewer reconnection fee were added to policy.
as heard:two dollars per gallon$1,000
- ▶ 23:43Grease trap permit fees
Annual fees unchanged, depending on compliance and internal or external trap.
as heard:a hundred and fifty dollars350 dollarsfour hundred and fifty dollarssix hundred and fifty dollars
- ▶ 45:00Leominster and Fitchburg sewer treatment bills
The business manager presented the latest quarterly and monthly bills for review.
as heard:one 24:35eighteen eight seventy eight twenty nine
Settled without a vote
- ▶ 34:43Irrigation meter policy was tabled to be brought back after a meter is selected.
- ▶ 42:00The business manager will get a price for camera inspection from a contractor and check with town counsel about Elizabeth Street infiltration enforcement and cost recovery.
- ▶ 46:32Choosing the irrigation meter will go on the next meeting agenda.
Documents and exhibits
The town’s minutes
The minutes print a list, headed commission reviewed the fitchburg monthly bill
, with nothing under it.
Named in the running text, not in a list:
- Single Use Meter policy (updated)
- Irrigation Meter Policy, Sewer Use Regs Article VII-3D(2), Appendix K
- Connection Charge Policy, Sewer Use Regs Article VII-4, Appendix G
- Grease Trap Rules & Regulations, Appendix C
- Fitchburg Monthly bill
- Leominster Quarterly Invoices
- Q1 FY19 Commitment for Sewer Billing
- MRPC guidebook (sewer connection process)
Heard in the recording
- ▶ 0:21irrigation meter policy / sewer regs Article V appendix Kdraft policy or bylaw, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Irrigation Meter Policy, Sewer Use Regs Article VII-3D(2), Appendix K”)
- ▶ 0:41PowerPointpresentation, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 17:43single meter policydraft policy or bylaw, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Single Use Meter policy (updated)”)
- ▶ 20:54connection charge policydraft policy or bylaw, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Connection Charge Policy, Sewer Use Regs Article VII-4, Appendix G”)
- ▶ 22:18grease trap regulationsdraft policy or bylaw, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Grease Trap Rules & Regulations, Appendix C”)
- ▶ 42:20Attorney General responseletter or email· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 44:26minutes of 11/6prior minutes· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.
Public comment
- ▶ 9:00Objected that the irrigation meter policy was proposed without a chosen meter, doubted the $50 fee was based on real cost figures, and noted credits may not cover costs. — Dave Passios, 56 Whiting Street, as heard, resident
- ▶ 19:31Asked whether the $50 annual fee applies to single meters and whether individual unit meters would be read. — Karen, as heard, manager of a village (mobile home community)
- ▶ 35:08Thanked the board for postponing the decision; asked that the chosen meter have wireless capability and that the water department's meter readers read sewer meters too. — Dave Passios, 56 Whiting Street, as heard, resident
Where the time went
Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.
- water sewer37 min · 78%
- fees22 min · 46%
- policy22 min · 46%
- public comment13 min · 28%
- legal7 min · 16%
- budget4 min · 8%
The whole meeting, in order
- ▶ 0:00Public hearing: irrigation meter policy presentationinformational · 9:00 long · water sewer, fees, policy
- ▶ 9:00Resident comments on irrigation meter policyinformational · 8:43 long · public comment, fees
- ▶ 17:43Single meter policy and resident questioninformational · 3:07 long · water sewer, policy, public comment
- ▶ 20:50Connection charge and grease trap regulation updatesinformational · 4:20 long · fees, water sewer
- ▶ 25:11Votes on policiesvoted; irrigation policy tabled · 9:49 long · policy, water sewer
- ▶ 35:00Announcements and public commentinformational · 1:36 long · public comment, water sewer
- ▶ 36:36Elizabeth Street infiltration and inflow remediationreferred to price and counsel · 5:44 long · water sewer, legal
- ▶ 42:20Attorney General Open Meeting Law responseinformational · 1:40 long · legal
- ▶ 44:00Minutes, business manager report, agenda items, adjournmentvoted · 3:38 long · water sewer, budget
What the captions could not carry
- Votes on the irrigation meter policy and grease trap changes were unclear; whether a vote was taken on irrigation is unclear.
- Amounts for the Elizabeth Street work and the Open Meeting Law legal cost are garbled.
- Much of the stretch around 833-864 is garbled.
Reports this meeting suggests
Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.
- ▶ 10:02Irrigation meter policyWhat will irrigation meters and the annual fee cost residents compared with the credits?
- ▶ 38:47Sewer infiltration costsWhat would camera inspection of Elizabeth Street lines cost and who pays?
These are ours, and they are not the record
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