What was said
Sewer Commission, December 8, 2020
the recording · 0:59 long, about 8,131 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately welllunenburgbudgetproject.org — written by the Lunenburg Budget Project, an independent tool for residents. Not affiliated with the Town of Lunenburg, the School Committee or the school district. The data this page is computed from: /data/recording-minutes/sewer-commission/2020.json
The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.
The short version
- ▶ 19:30The Sewer Commission took no vote on a fine for an unpermitted, uninspected sewer connection at 384 Mass Ave, and chose to gather input first.
- ▶ 19:30Members favored the regulation's fine and agreed to hear from the state, consult the attorney, and invite the owner and contractor in January.
- ▶ 28:52The business manager will raise the matter with counsel next Wednesday, and the commission backed tracking costs, possibly including a survey, for back-charging.
- ▶ 36:56Members will send maintenance plan comments to Rob, who will compile them, with review resuming in January.
- ▶ 39:04The commission approved the second quarter sewer commitment and warrant dated November 23rd.
Why it matters — our reading
- The outcome of the 384 Mass Ave matter decides whether the cost of an illegal connection falls on the contractor or on sewer ratepayers.
- Members said next year's budget must include money for the maintenance plan, including jetting, so it may affect future sewer bills.
Watch next
- Sewer Commission meetings on January 12, 2021 and January 26 at five o'clock, with the owner and contractor invited to January.
- Advice from the state and the attorney, and a written statement from the former DPW director sought through the attorney.
budgetfeeslegalpublic commentroads and dpwwater sewer
Present: Dave McDonald (chair, remote); Mike Devakas (member, remote); Brett Ramsen (member, remote); Kyle Luck (member, remote); John Reynolds (member, remote); Mr. Oliver (member, remote); Barb (business manager, remote); Rob (DPW director, remote). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.
Votes
- ▶ 39:04Approve the second quarter sewer commitment and warrant dated November 23rdpassed
And 2 procedural: approve minutes of 11/16 (▶ 40:07); adjourn the meeting (▶ 59:20).
Against the town’s minutes
The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 6 agree, 2 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 3 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a partial record.
- differsVote on Fitchburg/Leominster usage invoices
recording —
town’s minutes “commission approved the fitchburg usage invoice for $13,689.36 and leominster usage invoice for $74,265.66,”
Official records an approval of these invoices; our minutes list the figures but no vote. Check the recording around t=2721 for a motion.
recording Wait to hear from the state, talk to the attorney, invite the owner and contractor to the January meeting, and be prepared to impose the fine.
town’s minutes “dave would like to hear from the state and”
Official does not record inviting the owner and contractor in January; check recording at t=1170 and the full official text.
- differsAttendees: Carl and others
recording Dave McDonald (chair); Mike Devakas; Brett Ramsen; Kyle Luck; John Reynolds; Mr. Oliver; Barb; Rob (DPW director)
town’s minutes “carl noted that rob had answered most of his concerns,”
Official lists Carl (Carl Luck) as commissioner; ours has Kyle Luck, likely a misheard Carl. Official has Rob Oliva with no role stated, ours has Rob as DPW director and separate Mr. Oliver as member. Check roster.
2 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
In one record only: 5 from the recording, 2 from the town’s minutes
- Recording only — Written statement from former DPW director: Seek a written statement from the former DPW director through the attorney. ▶ 52:24
- Recording only — Next meeting dates: Next meetings set for January 12, 2021 and January 26 at five o'clock. ▶ 54:49
- Recording only — Leominster debt service invoice: Leominster debt service invoice: thirty thousand eight thirty four oh five, 520 ▶ 40:51
- Recording only — Generator maintenance agreement: Generator maintenance agreement: 48.25 ▶ 42:35
- Recording only — Meter program participation fee: Meter program participation fee: fifty dollar ▶ 3:31
- Town’s minutes only — Mass Highway application: “mass highway wanted the address in order to check it out and asked rob to start the application process,”
- Town’s minutes only — Small Water (SWSS) and Woodard & Curran numbers: “barb replied that swss never pursued anything, but she will check with heather (town manager).”
Compared 2026-11-03. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.
The money
- ▶ 13:41Fine for illegal connection at 384 Mass Ave
Members read the regulation as setting a minimum fine, possibly per day, and discussed leaving the amount open pending further costs. Legal and other costs are to be tracked and charged back to the contractor.
as heard:five thousand dollar5000
- ▶ 38:22Second quarter sewer commitment
Business manager sought approval of the Q2 billing commitment and warrant covering quarterly billing and adjustments.
as heard:291 405.95291 405
- ▶ 40:51Leominster debt service invoice
A first debt service invoice from Leominster is expected and relates to FY21 payment despite referencing FY20.
as heard:thirty thousand eight thirty four oh five520
- ▶ 42:35Generator maintenance agreement
Price quoted for the year; an agreement is being worked out and is about half the prior price because staff do minor maintenance.
as heard:48.25
- ▶ 45:21Fitchburg and Leominster invoices
Fitchburg invoice was lower because of drought; Leominster invoice is based on flows.
as heard:nine thirty six13 689 3674 265 66
- ▶ 3:31Meter program participation fee
Participants in the deduct meter program have been billed the fee on the Q2 invoices.
as heard:fifty dollar
- ▶ 42:13Privilege fees on Crossroads properties
Letters went out; if unpaid in 30 days they will be liened to tax bills.
- ▶ 43:57Jetting and maintenance plan funding
Members said next year's budget must include money for the maintenance plan, including jetting.
Settled without a vote
- ▶ 19:30Wait to hear from the state, talk to the attorney, invite the owner and contractor to the January meeting, and be prepared to impose the fine.
- ▶ 30:16Business manager will raise the matter with counsel at council hours next Wednesday.
- ▶ 28:52Rob has the commission's backing to do what is needed, including possibly a survey, and to track costs for back-charging.
- ▶ 36:56Members will send maintenance plan comments to Rob; Rob will compile them, with review resuming in January.
- ▶ 52:24Seek a written statement from the former DPW director through the attorney.
- ▶ 58:18Send lunch (pizza) to the water department for its new building from the sewer commission.
- ▶ 54:49Next meetings set for January 12, 2021 and January 26 at five o'clock.
Documents and exhibits
The town’s minutes
The minutes print a list, headed attached:
:
- Carl Luck 12/21/20 email of Notification of Legal Office Hour meeting
Named in the running text, not in a list:
- As-built from John Esposito, received 11/30
- Permit to Connect application
- Maintenance Plan
- Q2 billing dated 11/23/20
- Fitchburg Usage invoice and Leominster Usage invoice
- Current budget (year to date)
- Legal Counsel Access Policy
- Woodard & Curran billing tool
Heard in the recording
- ▶ 5:12as built from espositoplan or drawing· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“As-built from John Esposito, received 11/30”)
- ▶ 10:05our regulationsdraft policy or bylaw, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 38:44commitment and a warrant for Q2 billingcontract or agreement· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Q2 billing dated 11/23/20”)
- ▶ 30:59the maintenance planreport· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Maintenance Plan”)
- ▶ 45:40flow sheetspreadsheet, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 49:14year-to-date budgetbudget document, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Current budget (year to date)”)
- ▶ 40:07minutes from 11/16prior minutes· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
In the minutes’ list and not identified in the recording: Carl Luck 12/21/20 email of Notification of Legal Office Hour meeting.
State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.
Public comment
- ▶ 4:32Chair asked for public comment; nobody was present or raising a hand.
Where the time went
Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.
- water sewer52 min · 86%
- legal27 min · 45%
- fees26 min · 43%
- budget13 min · 22%
- debt11 min · 18%
- facilities7 min · 12%
The whole meeting, in order
- ▶ 0:06Opening, roll call, announcementsinformational · 4:26 long · water sewer
- ▶ 4:52Illegal sewer connection at 384 Mass Aveno vote; state, attorney, owner input to be sought · 25:46 long · water sewer, legal, fees
- ▶ 30:39Maintenance plan review processagreed members send comments to Rob · 7:21 long · water sewer, facilities
- ▶ 38:01Second quarter commitmentvoted · 2:05 long · water sewer, budget
- ▶ 40:07Minutes of 11/16voted · 0:43 long
- ▶ 40:51Business management reports: debt service, fees, generator, jetting, invoices, budgetinformational · 11:09 long · water sewer, budget, debt
- ▶ 50:36Agenda input and SWS statusbusiness manager to check with town manager · 1:24 long · water sewer, legal
- ▶ 52:01Board comments, schedule, gift to water department, adjournmentadjourned · 7:39 long
What the captions could not carry
- Vote counts for the Q2 commitment were not stated as a number; individual ayes only partly captured.
- Some captions garbled, such as the mover of the commitment motion and the adjournment motion.
Reports this meeting suggests
Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.
- ▶ 10:05Sewer use regulationsWhat do the sewer regulations require for illegal connections, fines and easements?
- ▶ 44:37Sewer maintenance fundingHow much budget is needed for the maintenance plan, jetting and generator service?
- ▶ 47:02Sewer infiltration costsDoes the water-in versus water-out comparison show infiltration and inflow?
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