What was said

Sewer Commission, October 10, 2023

the recording · 2:07 long, about 15,478 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately well

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The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.

The short version

  1. ▶ 1:46:56The Sewer Commission gave the owner and tenant of One Main Street 60 days to have an engineer decide whether a larger interior grease trap works, or an external trap will be required.
  2. ▶ 1:26:23An earlier motion to require an external grease trap at One Main Street was withdrawn before a vote.
  3. ▶ 53:57The commission approved the 10 Ramgren Road sewer extension with stipulations on the manhole, a Y connection, a stub for future connection and two 45-degree bends.
  4. ▶ 14:34A dog grooming business at 12295 Mass Ave was approved, with a change of use that the commission said will trigger additional sewer fees because of flow.
  5. ▶ 1:58:08The commission voted to have the chair draft a letter, signed by all members, asking the Personnel Board not to treat the sewer business manager position as an outlier.

Why it matters — our reading

  • Grease in the town sewer line near One Main Street is a maintenance problem for the whole system, and who pays for a trap or for cleaning falls on the property owner and tenant first.
  • New connections and changes of use, such as the Ramgren Road extension and the grooming business, carry stipulations and sewer fees that set what those properties pay to use the system.

Watch next

  • The engineering report on One Main Street, due within 60 days, will be put on the agenda once received.
  • The November meeting moved to Monday, November 13, at 6 PM, per the corrected agenda.

contracts and unionsfacilitiesfeeslegalpersonnelplanning and zoningpublic commenttown departmentswater sewer

Present: John Reynold (chair, remote); Dave McDonald (member); Mike Mackin (member); Brett Ramson (member); Paula (business manager); Bill Bernard (DPW director); Jane (recording secretary / clerk); Greg Roy (presenter (engineer, Dillon Roy)); Chris McKenzie (presenter (engineer)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

  1. ▶ 14:34Approve a dog grooming business at 12295 Mass Ave, unit unknown, with any additional water flow. — moved by Dave McDonald, as heardpassed
  2. ▶ 53:57Approve the 10 Ramgren Road sewer extension with stipulations: manhole moved to midpoint of property, a Y connection, a stub for future connection, and two 45-degree bends. — moved by Mike Mackin, as heardpassed
  3. ▶ 1:26:23Require landlord and tenant to place an external grease trap at One Main Street (later withdrawn). — moved by Dave McDonald, as heardnot audible
  4. ▶ 1:46:56Give the property owner and tenant 60 days to have an engineer determine whether a larger interior grease trap will keep grease out of the sewer; if not, an external trap will be required. — moved by Mike Mackin, as heardpassed
  5. ▶ 1:58:08Chair to draft a letter, signed by all members, to the Personnel Board about the sewer business manager position not being treated as an outlier. — moved by Mike Mackin, as heardpassed

And 2 procedural: approve the minutes of the 9/26 sewer commission meeting. (▶ 16:40); adjourn the meeting. (▶ 2:06:31).

Against the town’s minutes

The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 8 agree, 7 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 5 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.

  1. differsDog grooming address inside the official minutes▶ 14:34

    recording 12295 Mass Ave

    town’s minutes “appointments - dan proctor - 1325 mass. avenue -dog grooming business”

    The official minutes give 1295 in the vote and 1325 in the attendee line; check the application or agenda for the correct street number.

  2. differsExternal grease trap motion at One Main Street, later withdrawn▶ 1:26:23

    recording Require landlord and tenant to place an external grease trap at One Main Street (later withdrawn). — not audible

    town’s minutes “paula noted they need to rescind the 1st motion and dave withdrew his motion.”

    We could not hear the outcome; the official minutes only say a motion was rescinded and another withdrawn, so check which motion passed or failed first and whether a vote was taken.

  3. differsDelinquent sewer bill figures▶ 1:50:28

    recording Sewer bill delinquencies: 21 or 22%, 193 bills, 22 of those bills, 19%, 80 bills, 415 bills

    town’s minutes “total, there are 415 bills outstanding, beginning in 2017.”

    Both have 415 total, 21% and 19%; ours also has 193 and 80 bills that the official minutes do not print, so check the recording.

  4. differsGrease trap cost▶ 1:16:13

    recording Cost of grease trap maintenance and external trap: $500 a pop

    town’s minutes “al is spending a lot of money to clean the internal trap, where the external trap would pay for self in a couple of years.”

    Ours has a $500 figure; the official minutes print no dollar amount, so check the recording for who said it.

  5. differsNovember meeting date change▶ 2:03:04

    recording The November meeting is moved to Monday November 13 at 6 PM; the late October meeting is on November 28 per a corrected agenda.

    town’s minutes “dave suggested moving the meeting to 11/13 and all agreed.”

    Both move the meeting to 11/13; the official minutes do not mention the 6 PM time or November 28, so check the recording.

7 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
  • Dog grooming business address (vote):Approve a dog grooming business at 12295 Mass Ave, unit unknown, with any additional water flow.→1295 Mass. Ave▶ 14:34
  • Control panel cost:Control panel replacements at Francis Street and West Street pumping stations: $8,000 each→$8K each▶ 20:50
  • Chair name:John Reynold (chair)→John Reynolds▶ 0:00
  • Member Dave McDonald:Dave McDonald (member)→Dave MacDonald▶ 0:00
  • Brett Ramson:Brett Ramson (member)→Brett Ramsden▶ 0:00
  • Business manager surname and clerk:Paula (business manager)→Paula Bertram▶ 0:00
  • Engineer Chris McKenzie:Chris McKenzie (presenter (engineer))→Chris MacKensie (Dillis & Roy)▶ 0:00
In one record only: 1 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
  • Recording only — Call to CTE owner about missing reports: Business manager to phone the CTE owner about missing updates and reports; CTE staff asked to attend the first November meeting. ▶ 23:38
  • Town’s minutes only — 711 Mass Ave privilege fee decision: “john and dave confirmed that. the project will come before the commission”
  • Town’s minutes only — Personnel Committee wants to see final job description: “dave and brett stated the personnel committee should know they would like to see the final draft and give input.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Town Meeting transfer articles: “total, there are 415 bills outstanding, beginning in 2017.”
  • Town’s minutes only — Al Wernick to forward grease trap report: “paula asked al to forward the report when it is professionally cleaned and al said he will”
  • Town’s minutes only — Absent clerk and other named attendees: “absent: clerk- mike nault”

Compared 2026-10-09. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.

The money

  1. ▶ 20:50Control panel replacements at Francis Street and West Street pumping stations

    Business manager awaiting updated quotes; last year's estimate was given per panel.

    as heard:$8,000 each

  2. ▶ 24:43Privilege fee for proposed eight town home project on Mass Ave

    Developer wants to apportion the privilege fee over ten years; the commission votes to assess it and the apportionment follows after permitting.

    as heard:10-year period

  3. ▶ 11:02Additional sewer fees for dog grooming use

    Change of use from the approved retail and storage will trigger additional fees because of flow.

  4. ▶ 1:50:28Sewer bill delinquencies

    Delinquency rate fell after reminder bills were sent and some were paid; older outstanding bills remain.

    as heard:21 or 22%193 bills22 of those bills19%80 bills415 bills

  5. ▶ 1:52:54Sewer business manager job rating

    Business manager says the position manages a large budget yet is rated below other town jobs.

    as heard:over a million dollar budget

  6. ▶ 1:16:13Cost of grease trap maintenance and external trap

    Tenant cannot afford an external trap; professional cleaning costs are cited and an external trap would pay for itself over time.

    as heard:$500 a pop

  7. ▶ 2:02:01Special town meeting articles

    Two articles to move money into various funds are before town meeting.

Settled without a vote

  • ▶ 18:03Business manager to email subcommittee members to set a date at the DPW for the IMA discussion; subcommittee meetings need open meeting law posting and minutes.
  • ▶ 23:38Business manager to phone the CTE owner about missing updates and reports; CTE staff asked to attend the first November meeting.
  • ▶ 55:32A courtesy letter will go from the office to neighbors on Ramgren Road after the line is complete; staff to check the regulation on extending to the property midpoint.
  • ▶ 2:03:04The November meeting is moved to Monday November 13 at 6 PM; the late October meeting is on November 28 per a corrected agenda.
  • ▶ 1:48:20The One Main Street 60-day report will be scheduled on the agenda once received.

Public comment

  1. ▶ 2:05:27Public comment was called at the end; no members of the public remained to speak.

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

The whole meeting, in order

  1. ▶ 0:07Call to order, pledge, roll call, open meeting law noticeprocedural · 3:17 long
  2. ▶ 3:24Announcements and informal chatinformational · 2:48 long
  3. ▶ 6:12Dog grooming business at 12295 Mass Ave (Dan Proctor)voted · 9:28 long · water sewer, planning and zoning, fees
  4. ▶ 15:40Approval of minutesvoted · 1:41 long
  5. ▶ 17:21Intermunicipal agreement negotiations subcommitteereferred · 2:06 long · water sewer, legal
  6. ▶ 19:27Business manager report: system maintenance, CTE reports, permits to connect, proposed town homesinformational · 7:22 long · water sewer, facilities, fees
  7. ▶ 26:4910 Ramgren Road sewer extension (Greg Roy)voted · 30:07 long · water sewer, planning and zoning
  8. ▶ 56:56One Main Street grease trap/interceptorvoted · 52:08 long · water sewer, legal
  9. ▶ 1:49:04Billing software conversion and delinquenciesinformational · 2:08 long · water sewer, technology
  10. ▶ 1:51:12Rating and classification of sewer business managervoted · 9:04 long · personnel, contracts and unions
  11. ▶ 2:00:16Assistant hire update and meeting scheduledecided · 5:11 long · hiring, water sewer
  12. ▶ 2:05:27Public comment, closing remarks, adjournmentvoted · 2:08 long · public comment

What the captions could not carry

  • Vote counts were mostly announced by name as 'hi'/'I' and not in tally form.
  • The outcome of the first One Main Street motion and amendment was not voted; they were withdrawn.
  • Whether the first motion on the dog grooming business included the unit number was unclear.
  • Exact figures for delinquency and bill counts are caption-rendered and may be wrong.
  • The chair's connection dropped several times and parts of his remarks were lost.

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