What was said
Stormwater Task Force, January 20, 2022
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Posted twice
The town posted this meeting more than once. These are our minutes of the original; see also the re-upload. Both are valid, and we read both. 2 items are missing from this recording — the moment is not in it at all — and listed below.
The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.
The short version
- ▶ 36:26The Stormwater Task Force held no votes but agreed to set up a workshop for the planning board, conservation commission, DPW and building official on the stormwater process.
- ▶ 45:49Members said drain and maintenance data is needed to make the case for a self-supporting stormwater enterprise fund and utility fee.
- ▶ 38:32Staff said a stormwater revolving fund needs a specific purpose and revenue source and requires town meeting action; whether fines could go to a stormwater fund is to be looked into.
- ▶ 1:43:24The DPW head said stormwater has its own budget line, mainly for MS4 consultant compliance, while catch basin cleaning sits in the highway budget; he will estimate total stormwater spending.
- ▶ 1:02:11Follow-ups were assigned: a list of available grants, a website mockup, goals on the next agenda, and the consultant's scope of work shared with the group.
Why it matters — our reading
- Stormwater costs are spread across the DPW, highway and capital budgets, so the town's total spending on it is not visible in one place, which a future utility fee or enterprise fund would require.
- Any revolving fund or utility fee would come to town meeting as a vote residents are asked to take, and the task force is collecting the data it would rest on.
Watch next
- Next meeting on the third Thursday, the 17th: goals and objectives on the agenda, plus the grants list and website mockup.
- DPW's estimate of total stormwater spending, and the date of the cross-board workshop, neither yet set in the minutes.
budgetfeesgrantsplanning and zoningpolicypublic commentroads and dpwtown departmentswater sewer
Present: Jack (chair); Todd Dwyer (member (selectboard representative)); Paula (member); Rob Oliver (member (DPW)); Adam Grover (member (town planner/staff)); Dawn (member); Heather Lemieux (town manager/staff); Matt Proctor (prospective member (guest)); John Beale (prospective member (guest)). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.
Votes
No substantive votes heard. 2 procedural.
Missing from this recording
Heard only in the re-upload: the moment is not in this video. Each links to the second it was said there.
- ▶ 8:04decisionTask force will try to move its next meeting to the 10th and put the two new members on the Select Board agenda.
- ▶ 1:05topicZoom setup and quorum problems
Against the town’s minutes
The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 6 agree, 2 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 5 substantive differences. The town’s minutes are a full record.
recording A member volunteered to be the contact for the Central Mass Stormwater Coalition and the group agreed.
town’s minutes “jack volunteered to start communication with the central ma stormwater coalition.”
Ours names no volunteer and records group agreement; the official names Jack and records no agreement. Check the recording near t=1639 for who volunteered and whether the group agreed.
recording Town GIS contractor can add street addresses to the drain location file.
town’s minutes “nick c. will add street names to gps coordinates for easier reading of the storm drain map.”
Ours says a town GIS contractor can do it, a possibility; the official assigns it to Nick C. Check the recording near t=2476 for who was named and whether it was a commitment.
recording Next meeting set for the third Thursday of the month (the 17th).
town’s minutes “the next meeting is scheduled for february 17th.”
Both give the 17th, but ours says the third Thursday and the official says February 17. Check that Feb 17, 2022 is the third Thursday (it is) and that the recording says February.
recording Agreed to schedule a workshop among planning board, conservation commission, DPW and building official on the stormwater process, with boards invited.
town’s minutes “group wants to schedule a workshop with the planning board, conservation commission, and dpw.”
Ours adds the building official; the official minutes omit it and describe a wish, not an agreement. Check the recording near t=2186.
recording Grant funding for stormwater: 319 grant
town’s minutes “to achieve the goals of the mission statement more money will be needed.”
Ours has an unclear figure '319 grant'; the official records no figure. Check the recording near t=3351 for what was said.
2 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
- Adam's surname:Adam Grover (member (town planner/staff))→Adam Burney
- Chair's surname:Jack (chair)→Jack Rabbitt
In one record only: 3 from the recording, 5 from the town’s minutes
- Recording only — Goals and objectives on next agenda: Goals and objectives for the committee to be placed on the next meeting's agenda. ▶ 1:19:49
- Recording only — Past stormwater spending: Past stormwater spending breakdown: 5 million, 500 000 ▶ 1:47:31
- Recording only — Catch basin cleaning counts: 955 catch basins, 79, 121, 640 outflows ▶ 1:34:00
- Town’s minutes only — Prospective members before the Select Board: “john beal and matt proctor will go before the selectman on february 15th.”
- Town’s minutes only — Approval of earlier minutes: “the meeting minutes for november 4th and december 16th have been approved.”
- Town’s minutes only — Mission statement update: “to do: members need to volunteer to update the statement and get input from other stakeholders.”
- Town’s minutes only — Complaint/response module follow-up: “adam to follow up about complaint/response module including cost.”
- Town’s minutes only — Grant funding and budgeting: “to achieve the goals of the mission statement more money will be needed.”
Compared 2026-10-16. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.
The money
- ▶ 38:32Recouping costs / revolving fund for stormwater
Chair asked whether recouped costs from violations could go into a stormwater revolving account; staff said a revolving fund needs a specific purpose and revenue source and requires town meeting action.
- ▶ 45:49Sewer/stormwater enterprise fund and utility fee
Members said data on drains and maintenance is needed to make the case for an enterprise fund and utility fee that would be self-supporting.
- ▶ 55:51Grant funding for stormwater
Members discussed grants as a funding source, noting a prior 319 grant application was unsuccessful and that a defined project is needed first; a grant list was promised for the next meeting.
as heard:319 grant
- ▶ 1:08:49How current stormwater funds are determined
Discussion that DPW needs to track stormwater work and costs to support a future utility request, including administration, materials and an emergency accrual.
- ▶ 1:11:34Stormwater fines diverted to fund
Chair asked whether stormwater fines could be directed to the stormwater utility fund; answer was that it would be looked into.
- ▶ 1:43:24DPW budget line items for stormwater
DPW head said there is a stormwater line item mainly for MS4 consultant compliance and a smaller drainage line, while catch basin cleaning sits in the highway budget; he will estimate total stormwater spending.
- ▶ 1:47:31Past stormwater spending breakdown
Members referenced a breakdown of reported stormwater spending out of a larger road/capital sum, including berms and catch basin work, as a basis for extrapolating annual capital work.
as heard:5 million500 000
- ▶ 1:34:00Catch basin cleaning counts
A member cited catch basin totals and the low number cleaned as justification for needing metrics before an enterprise fund can be argued.
as heard:955 catch basins79121640 outflows
Settled without a vote
- ▶ 13:52Paula to send website improvement ideas; staff to draft an unpublished website mockup for the next meeting.
- ▶ 27:19A member volunteered to be the contact for the Central Mass Stormwater Coalition and the group agreed.
- ▶ 36:26Agreed to schedule a workshop among planning board, conservation commission, DPW and building official on the stormwater process, with boards invited.
- ▶ 41:16Town GIS contractor can add street addresses to the drain location file.
- ▶ 1:02:11Paula to compile a simple list of available stormwater grants for the next meeting.
- ▶ 1:19:49Goals and objectives for the committee to be placed on the next meeting's agenda.
- ▶ 1:36:07Consultant's scope of work to be shared with the task force.
- ▶ 1:52:17Next meeting set for the third Thursday of the month (the 17th).
Documents and exhibits
The town’s minutes
The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.
Named in the running text, not in a list:
- Analysis results after a rainstorm, Summer Street (no date given)
- Stormwater handbooks published on the Mass.gov website
- Other towns' bylaws (Tyngsboro)
- Storm drain map
Heard in the recording
- ▶ 8:01minutes of November 4 and December 16prior minutes· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 29:46stormwater bylawdraft policy or bylaw· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Stormwater handbooks published on the Mass.gov website”)
- ▶ 51:03ESS reportreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 53:462018 303(d) impaired waters listreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 1:36:07consultant's scope of workcontract or agreement· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 1:43:46DPW budgetbudget document· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.
Where the time went
Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.
- roads and dpw42 min · 36%
- water sewer30 min · 26%
- fees24 min · 21%
- planning and zoning20 min · 17%
- budget20 min · 17%
- policy16 min · 14%
- technology12 min · 11%
- contracts and unions12 min · 10%
- grants8 min · 7%
The whole meeting, in order
- ▶ 1:39Open meeting notice, roll call and introductionsinformational · 4:15 long
- ▶ 5:54Chair's comment on water pollution in lakes and streamsinformational · 2:07 long · water sewer
- ▶ 8:01Approval of November 4 and December 16 minutesvoted · 1:02 long · policy
- ▶ 9:03Team expansion and mission statementvolunteers sought · 2:44 long · policy
- ▶ 11:47Task force website and newsletterPaula to send ideas; draft site · 7:35 long · policy
- ▶ 19:22Complaint tracking and permitting system (ViewPoint Cloud)staff to look into cost · 7:16 long · technology, planning and zoning
- ▶ 26:38Central Mass Stormwater Coalition contactmember volunteered · 1:02 long · water sewer
- ▶ 27:40Stormwater permitting gaps for small projects and revolving fundworkshop to be scheduled · 12:52 long · planning and zoning, fees
- ▶ 40:32Drain data, replacement plans, data ownership and lake outfallsinformational · 15:19 long · roads and dpw, water sewer
- ▶ 55:51Grants for stormwatergrant list to be compiled · 8:03 long · grants
- ▶ 1:03:54Document storage for task forceinformational · 4:55 long · technology
- ▶ 1:08:49Stormwater funding, utility fund and performance measuresgoals to be on next agenda · 11:20 long · budget, fees, water sewer
- ▶ 1:20:09Public awareness and benchmark townsinformational · 4:51 long · policy
- ▶ 1:25:00Catch basins, outfalls and consultant scopescope of work to be shared · 11:49 long · roads and dpw, contracts and unions
- ▶ 1:36:49Workshops, worksheets and next agendainformational · 6:35 long · roads and dpw
- ▶ 1:43:24DPW stormwater budget lines and privately owned systemsDPW to estimate · 8:16 long · budget, roads and dpw
- ▶ 1:51:40Next meeting date and meeting feedbackthird Thursday · 4:47 long
- ▶ 1:56:27Adjournmentmotion to adjourn, ayes heard · 0:22 long
What the captions could not carry
- Roll call vote tally on minutes beyond verbal ayes
- Several speaker identities are unclear
- Exact stormwater spending and catch basin figures are inconsistent in captions
Reports this meeting suggests
Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.
- ▶ 1:43:24Stormwater spendingHow much does the town currently spend on stormwater across DPW line items?already answered:
thread:stormwater-fee - ▶ 1:34:00Catch basin cleaningHow many catch basins does the town have and how many are cleaned each year?
- ▶ 55:51Stormwater grantsWhat state and federal grants are available for stormwater work and what matches are required?
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