What was said
Stormwater Task Force, April 21, 2022
the recording · 1:41 long, about 14,362 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately welllunenburgbudgetproject.org — written by the Lunenburg Budget Project, an independent tool for residents. Not affiliated with the Town of Lunenburg, the School Committee or the school district. The data this page is computed from: /data/recording-minutes/stormwater-task-force/2022.json
The town published minutes (text) and an agenda for this meeting. Those minutes are the record; what follows is a guide to the recording.
The short version
- ▶ 4:56The Stormwater Task Force reviewed the town's MS4 permit compliance with its consultant CEI, covering training, BMP inspections, outfall screening, catch basin cleaning and street sweeping.
- ▶ 1:29:05A proposal to grow the task force from five to seven members was not adopted; liaisons will keep attending unofficially.
- ▶ 1:27:39The DPW director will ask town grant staff about authorizing the parcel and structure analysis task before the June 30 deadline.
- ▶ 1:22:52Unspent year-four consultant money for a stormwater utility and GIS parcel analysis returns to free cash if not used by June 30; CEI needs a notice to proceed.
- ▶ 1:05:20Catch basin cleaning by new equipment or by contractor was left for a new DPW director and the town manager to decide.
Why it matters — our reading
- Stormwater permit work, catch basin cleaning and street sweeping are paid from the town budget, mostly taxes, and the choice between buying equipment and hiring a contractor has not been made.
- The task force's charge includes an ongoing funding source for stormwater, but the chair said they did not want to open a stormwater tax discussion yet, so any such proposal is still ahead.
Watch next
- Whether the notice to proceed is issued to CEI before the June 30 deadline.
- The next meeting, set for 19 May.
budgetcapitalcontracts and unionsfree cashgrantsroads and dpwtown departmentswater sewer
Present: Nick Christopher (presenter (consultant, Comprehensive Environmental Inc., CEI)); Adam Bernie Lando's (DPW director); Matthew Proctor (member (Stormwater Task Force)); Perry Jewell (member (representing Board of Health, unofficial)); Todd Dwyer (member (Stormwater Task Force; selectman)); Danielle Maher (secretary); John Rabbit (chair (Conservation Commission and stormwater)); Jack (member). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.
Votes
No substantive votes heard. 1 procedural.
Against the town’s minutes
The town published minutes (text) for this meeting; ours were compared item by item. 5 agree, 5 caption errors resolved by the official reading, 1 substantive difference. The town’s minutes are a summary.
recording The proposal to expand the task force from five to seven members was not adopted; the group agreed to continue with liaisons attending unofficially.
town’s minutes —
Our minutes record a decision on membership that the official minutes do not mention; check the recording and the town's records for whether it was decided.
5 caption errors the town’s minutes resolve
- Attendee: John Rabbitt:John Rabbit (chair (Conservation Commission and stormwater))→John Rabbitt
- Attendee: Adam Burney:Adam Bernie Lando's (DPW director)→Adam Burney
- Attendee: Danielle Marr:Danielle Maher (secretary)→Danielle Marr
- Attendee: Perry Jewel:Perry Jewell (member (representing Board of Health, unofficial))→Perry Jewel
- Attendee: Nick Cristofori (CEI):Nick Christopher (presenter (consultant, Comprehensive Environmental Inc., CEI))→Nick Cristofori
In one record only: 10 from the recording, 8 from the town’s minutes
- Recording only — Catch basin cleaning: equipment vs outsourcing figures: Catch basin cleaning equipment vs outsourcing: 250 350 000, a hundred dollars a catch basin, 100 bucks each, 30 to 35 bucks a basin, 35 grand, 300 bucks an hour, a million ▶ 1:05:20
- Recording only — Regional coalition dues vs CEI training: Regional stormwater coalition dues vs CEI training: two or three thousand dollars, four thousand ▶ 11:37
- Recording only — Annual BMP inspections by CEI cost: Annual BMP inspections by CEI: 2 500 bucks ▶ 19:09
- Recording only — Catch basin cost: Cost of a catch basin: a thousand bucks, tens to five thousand ▶ 54:07
- Recording only — Street sweeping cost: Street sweeping cost: 30 40 grand ▶ 1:12:00
- Recording only — Year-four unspent task force funds: Year-four unspent stormwater task funds: twenty thousand dollars, free cash ▶ 1:22:52
- Recording only — Parcel and structure analysis before June 30 deadline: The DPW director will speak to the town's grant/administrative staff (Heather) about authorizing the parcel and structure analysis task before the June 30 deadline. ▶ 1:27:39
- Recording only — CEI BMP data and staff training follow-up: CEI to return the BMP location data matched to street names; the town will look at training town staff for annual inspections once a new DPW director is in place. ▶ 19:49
- Recording only — CEI to export BMP checklist: CEI agreed to export its BMP evaluation checklist from GIS and share it with the town. ▶ 30:55
- Recording only — Next meeting date: The next meeting was set for 19 May. ▶ 1:39:26
- Town’s minutes only — Rain barrel and compost bin pair price: “$80 for the pair. call dpw if interested.”
- Town’s minutes only — Asset management grant: “currently town is finalizing asset management grant which will include size of pipe, elevation of invert, outlet, rim, and sump.”
- Town’s minutes only — Grants for stormwater practices not town money: “fundings and massworks grants are available that are not town money.”
- Town’s minutes only — Website discussion deferred: “paula was not at meeting- will discuss at later meeting.”
- Town’s minutes only — Possible next-meeting agenda items: “identify possible next meeting agenda items.”
- Town’s minutes only — Jack to look into additional training: “jack wants more emphasis on training and will look into additional training options.”
- Town’s minutes only — Attendee: John Beale (remote): “john beale via zoom (resident engineer), perry jewel (liason), danielle marr (secretary).”
- Town’s minutes only — Guest speaker Janet H. Morrison: “7:00pm ritter memorial basement- joint meeting with agcom - guest speaker janet h. morrison, esq.”
Compared 2026-10-16. Neither record is treated as the referee: a caption error is the same fact heard badly; a difference is for a person to check at the timestamp.
The money
- ▶ 11:37Regional stormwater coalition dues vs CEI training
The town pays dues to the central Mass regional stormwater coalition, which provides training for any number of staff. This was compared with what CEI would charge for a one-off training.
as heard:two or three thousand dollarsfour thousand
- ▶ 19:09Annual BMP inspections by CEI
CEI said its annual BMP inspection line is small relative to the whole MS4 allocation; inspections could later be brought in-house.
as heard:2 500 bucks
- ▶ 26:04Funding sources for stormwater infrastructure
Possible funding named included town tax dollars, Chapter 90, stormwater funds to DPW, 319 grants, ARPA and MassWorks. The asset management grant was mentioned as in progress.
- ▶ 54:07Cost of a catch basin
Speakers estimated the cost to buy and install a catch basin, excluding piping and engineering.
as heard:a thousand buckstens to five thousand
- ▶ 1:05:20Catch basin cleaning equipment vs outsourcing
The task force discussed new equipment or contracting out cleaning; a vac truck and per-basin vendor rates were estimated. Participants said the decision belongs with a new DPW director and the town manager.
as heard:250 350 000a hundred dollars a catch basin100 bucks each30 to 35 bucks a basin35 grand300 bucks an houra million
- ▶ 1:12:00Street sweeping cost
Street sweeping miles dropped from the prior year. Contracting out sweeping was suggested to cost about as much as basin cleaning.
as heard:30 40 grand
- ▶ 1:22:52Year-four unspent stormwater task funds
Money for a preliminary stormwater utility/GIS parcel analysis task must be used by June 30 or it returns to free cash. CEI needs a notice to proceed from the town.
as heard:twenty thousand dollarsfree cash
- ▶ 1:19:40Stormwater utility and funding source
The task force's charge includes establishing estimated cost and an ongoing funding source. A chair said they did not want to open a stormwater tax discussion yet.
Settled without a vote
- ▶ 1:27:39The DPW director will speak to the town's grant/administrative staff (Heather) about authorizing the parcel and structure analysis task before the June 30 deadline.
- ▶ 1:29:05The proposal to expand the task force from five to seven members was not adopted; the group agreed to continue with liaisons attending unofficially.
- ▶ 1:39:26The next meeting was set for 19 May.
- ▶ 19:49CEI to return the BMP location data matched to street names; the town will look at training town staff for annual inspections once a new DPW director is in place.
- ▶ 30:55CEI agreed to export its BMP evaluation checklist from GIS and share it with the town.
Documents and exhibits
The town’s minutes
The minutes print no list of documents and exhibits.
Named in the running text, not in a list:
- Regional Conservation Partnership Program (RCPP) 2014 presentation
- Agenda, slide 36 (outfall locations)
- Draft of potential stormwater BMP locations on municipal properties
- Stormwater bylaw (passed November 2020, effective May 2021)
- Stormwater inspection report
- BMP condition evaluation checklist
Heard in the recording
- ▶ 1:07the slide presentationpresentation, shown· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Agenda, slide 36 (outfall locations)”)
- ▶ 4:56memorandum from Heather on MS4 statusmemo, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 8:04MS4 annual report comparison 2020 and 2021report, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 21:13draft BMP retrofit mapsplan or drawing, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 4:56MS4 permitapplication or permit· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 27:08asset management grant applicationapplication or permit, shown· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
- ▶ 44:50stormwater bylawdraft policy or bylaw· named in the minutes’ text, not in a list (“Stormwater bylaw (passed November 2020, effective May 2021)”)
- ▶ 38:54outfall screening memorandumreport· mentioned in the recording, not found in the minutes
State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.
Where the time went
Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.
- roads and dpw59 min · 58%
- budget29 min · 29%
- water sewer25 min · 24%
- capital19 min · 19%
- grants17 min · 17%
- planning and zoning15 min · 15%
- town departments10 min · 10%
- policy10 min · 10%
- free cash10 min · 10%
The whole meeting, in order
- ▶ 0:04Introductions, Earth Day and agendainformational · 4:52 long
- ▶ 4:56IDDE training and its adequacyinformational; training to be revisited · 10:28 long · roads and dpw, town departments
- ▶ 15:24BMP inspections and missing underground systemsinformational · 4:45 long · roads and dpw, water sewer
- ▶ 20:09BMP retrofits, urbanized area limits and funding sourcesinformational · 7:40 long · grants, roads and dpw
- ▶ 27:49BMP inspection ratings and maintenanceinformational; checklist to be shared · 10:01 long · roads and dpw
- ▶ 37:50Outfall mapping, asset management grant and as-builtsinformational · 9:40 long · grants, planning and zoning, water sewer
- ▶ 47:30Stormwater bylaw developments and road workinformational · 5:00 long · planning and zoning
- ▶ 52:30Catch basin cleaning, equipment and outsourcing costsdeferred to new DPW director and town manager · 19:10 long · roads and dpw, budget, capital
- ▶ 1:11:40Street sweeping and public comment contact routeinformational · 6:40 long · roads and dpw
- ▶ 1:18:10Stormwater utility goals and unspent year-four fundsaction item for DPW director to speak with grant staff · 10:10 long · budget, free cash, water sewer
- ▶ 1:28:44Proposal to expand task force membershipnot adopted; liaisons continue unofficially · 10:16 long · policy
- ▶ 1:39:00Next meeting, public comment, adjournmentvoted to adjourn · 2:09 long
What the captions could not carry
- Whether the formal vote to adjourn passed is only shown as 'hi hi', no count
- The exact amounts of the unspent CEI stormwater task funds (an up-to figure was heard) were unreliable in captions
- Several catch basin and truck cost figures were speculative and inconsistently rendered
Reports this meeting suggests
Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.
- ▶ 1:05:20Catch basin cleaning costsWhat would it cost to clean all catch basins annually, in-house with a vac truck versus an outside vendor?already answered:
thread:stormwater-fee - ▶ 1:19:40Stormwater utility fundingWhat would a stormwater utility fee cost households and what funding sources could pay for MS4 obligations instead?already answered:
thread:stormwater-fee - ▶ 11:37MS4 compliance costsWhat does the town pay CEI and the regional coalition for MS4 compliance, and what unfunded work remains?
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