TCP Building Design Committee, November 10, 2021

The town has published neither minutes nor an agenda for this meeting. The recording is the only record, and what follows is a guide to it.

budgetcapitaldebtfacilitiesfree cashpublic commenttax ratetown departmentstown meetingwarrant article

Present: Greg Roy (chair); Mike Ray Jeffries (member (also select board member)); Dave Pacios (member); Brian Leighton (member); Christina (member); Brian (member). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.

Votes

No substantive votes heard. 2 procedural.

The money

1. ▶ 8:38Renovation estimate (spring)

   Spring construction estimate and total with soft costs for renovating TC Pacios.

   as heard:18.5 million dollars23.5 million

2. ▶ 18:16Updated renovation estimate

   Architects raised the estimate after roughly 30 percent construction price acceleration.

   as heard:22.5 round numbers million28.9 million30 percent

3. ▶ 19:39New-build study funding

   Town meeting earlier authorized money for a new-build comparison study.

   as heard:fifty four thousand dollars

4. ▶ 30:05New build estimate

   New build with the same program costs substantially more than renovation, based on subcontractor pricing.

   as heard:39 million 637 000almost 31 million dollars

5. ▶ 40:19Article 8 design funding

   Article would commit funds from free cash for design and engineering of a new town hall and community center.

   as heard:350 000

6. ▶ 43:05Design and engineering share

   Design and engineering typically a percentage of total project cost, billed in phases.

   as heard:eight percentfive to ten percent

7. ▶ 1:00:01Cost escalation of delay

   At an assumed annual escalator, delay adds roughly one, two and three-plus million.

   as heard:28.97 millionfour percentone point one six millionalmost two and a half millionover three and a half million

8. ▶ 1:16:24Tax impact

   Finance committee chair said the project is wholly taxpayer funded via debt exclusion with annual cost per average home in a stated range.

   as heard:low 400s to the high 500s

9. ▶ 1:18:52Firefighter contract

   Select board reached agreement on cost-of-living increases cited as an added operating cost.

   as heard:three percentseven point seven percent

10. ▶ 1:22:20Debt exclusion article thresholds

    Article 7 debt exclusion needs two-thirds at town meeting plus ballot majority; Article 8 needs a simple majority.

    as heard:twenty nine million dollars350 000 dollarsnearly 40 million dollar debt exclusion

11. ▶ 44:47TC Pacios rent revenue

    Three tenant programs pay rent that covers building utilities; town does not appropriate for the building.

Settled without a vote

• ▶ 1:57:01Committee agreed not to make a formal recommendation to town meeting on the articles; members will act as individuals.
• ▶ 1:55:00A brief explanation of the three articles will run in the Ledger on Friday.

Documents and exhibits

State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.

Public comment

1. ▶ 1:08:06Praised committee's work but argued the town cannot afford the project, the need-versus-afford gap, tax impact and debt exclusion thresholds; urged passing over the articles and a six-month reset. — Peter Beardmore, as heard, resident, speaking for himself (finance committee chair)

Where the time went

Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.

• warrant article67 min · 56%
• capital58 min · 49%
• facilities58 min · 49%
• town meeting39 min · 33%
• budget30 min · 25%
• free cash28 min · 23%
• public comment18 min · 16%
• debt18 min · 16%
• tax rate18 min · 16%

The whole meeting, in order

1. ▶ 0:00Technical setup and screen sharinginformational · 3:08 long
2. ▶ 3:08Renovation vs new build presentation, costs and designinformational · 30:12 long · facilities, capital, budget
3. ▶ 33:20Comments while technology set up; urging attendance at special town meetinginformational · 6:17 long · town meeting, warrant article
4. ▶ 39:37Article 8 presentation: current building conditions, problems, cost escalation, historyinformational · 27:42 long · warrant article, free cash, facilities
5. ▶ 1:07:19Public comment from finance committee chairinformational · 18:27 long · public comment, debt, tax rate
6. ▶ 1:25:46Committee members' discussion on whether to proceed or pass over articlesno resolution; public forum closed · 28:13 long · warrant article, town meeting, capital
7. ▶ 1:53:59New business: Ledger notice, no recommendation, adjournmentdecided not to recommend; adjourned · 4:27 long · town meeting, warrant article

What the captions could not carry

• Screen-shared slides were described but some figures in the cost comparison slides were not read aloud
• The special town meeting date was stated as the 16th and the 17th at different points

Reports this meeting suggests

Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.

• ▶ 30:05Town building conceptsWhat do renovating TC Pacios versus building new cost, and what would each add to the average tax bill?already answered: thread:tc-passios-site
• ▶ 1:22:20Debt exclusion capacityHow would a roughly 29 million debt exclusion compare with Lunenburg's past debt service as a share of the levy?already answered: topic:town-debt-service
• ▶ 1:00:01Construction cost escalationHow much does each year of delay add to the project cost under the assumed escalator?

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