What was said
Zoning Board of Appeals, October 12, 2022
the recording · 2:59 long, about 26,050 words spoken · captions carried this meeting moderately welllunenburgbudgetproject.org — written by the Lunenburg Budget Project, an independent tool for residents. Not affiliated with the Town of Lunenburg, the School Committee or the school district. The data this page is computed from: /data/recording-minutes/zoning-board-of-appeals/2022.json
The town published an agenda for this meeting. No minutes have been published; the recording is the only record, and what follows is a guide to it.
The short version
- ▶ 2:58:10The Zoning Board of Appeals continued the Pond View Commons 40B hearing to October 26, with November 9 named as a possible next date.
- ▶ 1:05:33The board voted by voice to table traffic until consultant estimates are gathered, have staff identify peer-review consultants, and require agreed funds deposited first.
- ▶ 45:04The fee waiver question was postponed while the board gathers fees paid by prior 40B projects and estimates its own processing costs.
- ▶ 2:29:42No decision was made on waiving water and sewer district requirements; the board will seek feedback from the water district and Sewer Commission and review the intermunicipal agreements.
- ▶ 1:10:12Peer-review selection for traffic, civil and fire will be handled in public on October 26, after the first case.
Why it matters — our reading
- The fee the developer pays, and who funds the outside traffic, civil and fire reviews, decides how much of the cost of reviewing a 200-unit project falls on the developer rather than the town budget.
- Whether the Zoning Board of Appeals can waive water and sewer district requirements is unresolved, and it bears on whether the project connects to systems that residents and town meeting have planned and paid for, and on the long-term pump and storage costs the water superintendent raised.
Watch next
- October 26 session: peer-review consultant selection at about 7:30 after the first case, and the continued hearing.
- Feedback from the water district and Sewer Commission, and the board's review of the intermunicipal agreements, before any water or sewer waiver decision.
feeshousinglegalplanning and zoningpublic commentpublic safetyroads and dpwtown departmentswater sewer
Present: the chair (chair); Adam Costa (Town Counsel); Dawn Bornstein (presenter (applicant's attorney)); Kevin O'Brien (presenter (applicant)); Wes fleas (presenter (project engineer)); Lisa (secretary / building inspector staff (referred to)); Patrick (Zoom/public access host). Names are the caption model’s hearing and may be wrong.
Votes
- ▶ 1:05:33Table traffic until consultant estimates are gathered, have staff identify consultants, and require agreed funds be deposited before the discussion continues. — moved by a board member, as heardpassed (voice vote, count not stated)
And 1 procedural: adjourn. (▶ 2:58:50).
The money
- ▶ 14:20Application fee structure
The board cited a minimum filing fee plus a per-unit administration fee and a technical peer-review fee under its regulations.
as heard:a thousand dollar minimum feetwo hundred dollars per unit25 00045 000
- ▶ 15:22Fee waiver request
The applicant paid the minimum fee, requested a waiver, and argued the fee is excessive and unequal to non-40B treatment, citing the 40R fee.
as heard:85 000forty five hundred dollars75025 per unit
- ▶ 19:06Prior 40B comparison
A board member recalled a prior 40B paying a general administration fee in a higher range than the applicant offers.
as heard:25 to 30 thousand dollars
- ▶ 38:24General administration fee calculation
Town counsel computed the administration fee from the regulations and distinguished it from peer review escrow.
as heard:41 0004 500
- ▶ 25:39Peer review escrow
Counsel described escrow accounts of varying size for peer review and said unspent funds are returned.
as heard:10 15 twenty thousand dollarsa hundred and fifty thousand dollars
- ▶ 28:24Peer review deposit structure
The board floated a smaller initial deposit that must be replenished when low.
as heard:thirty thousand10
- ▶ 1:14:24School staffing cost of added students
A resident estimated added teachers needed and a resulting budget increase.
as heard:29 additional teachers83 0002 408 and 566 dollars10 percent
- ▶ 2:30:46Water and sewer extension cost
The applicant said cost figures are in the pro forma; a resident said sewer fees alone would exceed the estimate.
as heard:four million
- ▶ 2:36:39Water tank maintenance
The water superintendent said tank painting is upcoming and the project's revenue may not cover long-term pump and storage costs.
as heard:a million and a half dollars
Settled without a vote
- ▶ 45:04The fee waiver question was postponed while the board gathers actual fees from prior 40B projects and estimates its processing costs.
- ▶ 1:06:21Staff will identify peer-review consultants and gather scopes, with funding deposited before work begins.
- ▶ 1:10:12Peer-review selection (traffic, civil, fire) will be handled in public at the Oct 26 session after the first case.
- ▶ 2:29:42Board will seek feedback from the water district and Sewer Commission and review the intermunicipal agreements before deciding on water and sewer waivers.
- ▶ 2:58:10Hearing continued to October 26 (peer review at about 7:30 after first case), with November 9 as a possible next date.
Documents and exhibits
The town’s minutes
The town has not published minutes for this meeting.
Heard in the recording
- ▶ 2:30letter from Leominster planning and development directorletter or email, shown
- ▶ 3:54letter from the mayor of Fitchburgletter or email, shown
- ▶ 5:19fire department comments letterletter or email, shown
- ▶ 8:08planning board commentsmemo, shown
- ▶ 15:22waiver letter for filing feesletter or email, shown
- ▶ 17:24board rules and regulationsdraft policy or bylaw
- ▶ 47:122020 traffic reportreport, shown
- ▶ 48:352021 traffic reportreport, shown
- ▶ 1:37:02applicant counsel's letter on water/sewer authorityletter or email
- ▶ 1:53:02town counsel's letter of September 2, 2021letter or email, shown
- ▶ 1:58:34water district enabling actwarrant article
- ▶ 2:27:36water district letterletter or email
- ▶ 2:30:25project pro formaspreadsheet, shown
- ▶ 2:30:46intermunicipal agreements with Leominster and Fitchburgcontract or agreement
State law asks minutes to list the documents and exhibits used at a meeting (M.G.L. c.30A §22(a)). Names from the recording are the caption model’s hearing; the two sides are matched by name, by script, so a document named two different ways can be missed. A place to look, not a finding.
Public comment
- ▶ 1:11:38Teacher-to-student ratio and school budget impact of added students; opposes the development. — Chris Thibodeaux, as heard, resident, Howard Street, teacher in a nearby district
- ▶ 1:16:08Route 13 and West Townsend Road accidents; asks for a full stormwater study and environmental peer review for Malpas Brook and Hickory Hills Lake. — Paula Bertram, as heard, representing Hickory Hills landowners and resident
- ▶ 1:20:20Howard Street traffic history, school drop-off traffic, and congestion on Route 13 in Leominster. — John alotalo, as heard, resident, Howard Street
- ▶ 1:22:28Speaks in support of the project because of the housing shortage and his own experience of homelessness. — Andy Klein, as heard, resident
- ▶ 1:25:17Speeding, heavy construction equipment, and narrow road on Howard Street. — Adam deschino, as heard, resident, Howard Street
- ▶ 1:27:40Speeding and safety on Howard Street; prefers fewer houses. — Patty Orban, as heard, resident, Howard Street
- ▶ 1:30:11Fast traffic, accidents and danger to her farm's chickens on Howard Street. — Donna Jacobson, as heard, farm owner on the road
- ▶ 1:31:18Environmental runoff and stormwater concerns, presented pictures to the board. — Dennis Rinke, as heard, resident, Howard Street
- ▶ 2:31:28Argues the ZBA lacks authority to act for town meeting on sewer extension; sewer district planning history. — Paula Bertram, as heard, resident, former Sewer Commission member
- ▶ 2:34:16Water district enabling act limits, project outside district boundary, pump station and storage tank costs, supply concerns. — Akron, as heard, water district superintendent
- ▶ 2:40:08Maynard case not comparable; Leominster and Fitchburg capacity; earlier district votes. — John morielli, as heard, resident
- ▶ 2:43:44Wants written request, scope of work, engineer plan; says intermunicipal agreements and the CWMP would need revision. — Dave McDonald, as heard, Sewer Commission member
- ▶ 2:46:06Doubts the ZBA has authority; recommends deferring waivers until the engineering is heard. — Tom Alonso, as heard, select board member
Where the time went
Minutes of recording by subject, from the topic spans below. A topic with two subjects counts toward both.
- planning and zoning135 min · 75%
- legal88 min · 49%
- water sewer76 min · 42%
- roads and dpw50 min · 28%
- public comment44 min · 25%
- fees32 min · 18%
- public safety13 min · 7%
The whole meeting, in order
- ▶ 0:04Opening and correspondence read into record (Leominster, Fitchburg, fire chief, planning board)informational · 13:16 long · planning and zoning, public safety
- ▶ 13:20Application fees and waiver requestpostponed pending more information · 31:44 long · fees, planning and zoning, legal
- ▶ 45:04Applicant traffic reports and peer review processvoted to table and begin consultant selection · 25:48 long · planning and zoning, roads and dpw
- ▶ 1:10:52Public comment on traffic and impactsinformational · 24:17 long · public comment, roads and dpw
- ▶ 1:35:32Authority to waive water and sewer district requirementsno determination; seek district feedback · 55:56 long · water sewer, legal, planning and zoning
- ▶ 2:31:28Public comment on water and sewerinformational · 19:50 long · public comment, water sewer
- ▶ 2:51:18Scheduling, deadlines, adjournmentcontinued to Oct 26; adjourned · 7:52 long · planning and zoning
What the captions could not carry
- Exact voice-vote count on the traffic motion and adjournment
- Which board member made and seconded each motion
- Whether the fee and traffic scopes of the amended motion were fully captured
Reports this meeting suggests
Our reading of the discussion: questions where numbers were in play and a page laying them out would have helped. Every meeting’s suggestions are merged into one register.
- ▶ 2:20:38Sewer connection feesWhat would extending sewer and water three miles cost and who would pay?
- ▶ 1:13:42Housing and school costsWhat would 200 new apartments mean for school enrolment and staffing costs?already answered:
topic:enrolment-by-year - ▶ 14:2040B application feesHow are the town's 40B application and peer review fees calculated compared with other permits?
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